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micrwave circulator ,isolator

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mzewani

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isolator circulator philips

is there who can help in designing such devices or any link to some application notes about these devices
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circulator lecture

I guess textbook would briefly explain some detail.
 

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Any Microwave Handbook or a more basic electronics handbook describes the topic. But if you have not tried before I would advise not to try building these components. It is really difficult if you do not have many years of experience.
 

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search AN98035 using google.
You can find one application note from philips semiconductor.

"Circulators and Isolators, unique passive devices", 31pages.
 

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circulators & isolators

There are many simple methods to design them.....
In fact, there are several novel method proposed in the IEEE MTT. Scan the IEEEXplore for more info....
 

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simple methods you say, hmm... do you have any working project and measured data to show? because i wouldn't call circulators/isolators easy to do devices especially if you consider loss.

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Agree with sviodo. No such thing as simple isolator or circulator design exists.
 

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and i'll say regarding simple design idea - see losses of this circulator, coz performance IMHO is poor...

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DEsigning Circulators

It depends on the application how successful you will be. If you can stand a bit of loss in your system then it's OK and you will not spend 6 months trying to optimize it. I have had some success printing ferrite loaded pastes onto ceramic.

If you need best performance then I agree with other posts in this topic - buy one!!!


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My thesis was on that topic. What is your target frequency, power, bandwidth, loss and size requirement. First at all, you need to know how much you would pay for each one. The military class isolator/circulator can be as much as $200. If you just need a few, you can buy from some company, MA/COM is a good one. Usually, circulator is substrate dependent. Even you want to make circulator yourself, you need to find a good sourse of substrate, such as YIG.
 

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Timelord,
Could you share more information on printing the ferrite paste on ceramics? The idea seems good, if there's enough accuracy.

Other thoughts: if you're going to make an isolator or a circulator, you'll need a huge bunch of expensive machinery in addition to the simulators and a nework analyzer: an accurate CNC mill (for the waveguide isolators and general mechanics), a good diamond saw and grinder lathe (for shaping the ferrite pieces, round or triangular) and a magnetizer for fine-tuning the magnets. Not a one-weekend project. :)

OK, most of these tools can be made in a (hard-core?) hobbyist-level as well, but it's still not going to be simple. Very educating, though, and you might be able to make a small business out of that experiment as well. :)


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you can search in this book:
microwave engineering
pozar
 

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A lecture notes file is attatched
 
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Can you list contents?
 

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can sum1 help me about designing in hfss?
circulator,isolator (wave guide)
 

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There is nothing especially magic about circulator design.. you just have to understand what it going on.

I have desiged many waveguide isolators, mostly Faraday rotation type but also Y junction, with low loss in the 100GHz region.
Yes, machining ferrite is nasty (but not impossible.. it grinds easily and you do not necessarily need diamond tools)
No, you do not need to tune the magnetic field. If the design is done correctly, and optimised for the chosen ferrite magnetic saturation, you simply need enough field to saturate the ferrite, and it is then also not sensitive to external fields.

A well equipped micro machine shop is all you need, and a good designer :D
 

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