Which DSP chip can I use directly on breadboard ?

Starting DSP

Hi!

I've recently started electronics as a hobby, and after doing some PIC stuff, I want to try DSP coding (mainly for audio). I've been looking around on the net, mainly (manufacturer-wise) at Microchip's, TI's and Analog Devices' websites, trying to decide which DSP chip I want to use. However, the problem is (and I know this is going to sound silly), since I'm a begginner, I'm doing all my construction on breadboards (so far), and I don't want to buy a prototyping board, I need (I think) a chip that comes in DIP or PDIP packaging. Which seems to be none of the DSPs I want. Can anyone recommend a solution to my problem. eg. a DIP chip that I can just stick on my breadboard, adaptor sockets or something else.

(oh yeah, regarding a programmer for it, I feel, given the programming spec for a chip, I could build a simple serial-port programmer for it with a PIC)

Thanks!

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I would like to add to this, since maybe it will help Doogle and myself...

PC soundcards are more than capable today, some with 96k sample rates. Is there a site with code / tutorials on getting started with DSP programming using sound cards?

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I would like to suggest Microchip dsPIC30F2010-20E/SPG.

You can also get free sample from them. To get more details check out this link -
**broken link removed**

Only problem is the ICD2 is expensive.

cheers.

Starting DSP

I suggest TI tms320vc54x serials, its ratio of capability and price is the best to the voice process.

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I'd suggest you go for either TI's or Analog Devices' stuff: they are the mainstream DSP players, now and for long time to come. DSPic is just a microcontroller with added features, not really a DSP.

If you just need the features of a microcontroller with added features, you'd better go for Motorola's 56F800 series (although I really don't like it too much). With TI and ADI you'll always find REAL DSPs with microcontroller features: PWM, ADC, etc.

For TI, try to find out within the C2000 family.
For ADI, go for either the ADMC or ADSP-2199x families.

JaaC

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All the Analog and TI DSPs seem to be in packages with more pins than I have holes on my breadboard. I know I might be trying to run before I can walk, and it seems that what I'm looking for (semi-powerful DSP in a DIP or PDIP package) might not exist. My soldering is bad enough without having to try to solder 100+ pins just to try out a DSP (as I can't really afford a prototyping board).

If someone can offer an alternative solution to my problem that'd be great. It doesn't *have* to be a DIP chip. maybe someone makes a cheap (cost of DSP + a tiny bit more) 'interface' board for a DSP, so that most of the control and logic is taken care of and I just need to connect a few lines instead of 100+, but is cheap enough that I can buy another one for each project (so not a prototyping board).

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If using through hole parts is your only option, then do a more thorough search about DSPic.

Regards,

JaaC

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jimbies said:

I would like to suggest Microchip dsPIC30F2010-20E/SPG.

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I would suggest dsPIC as well. But I think dsPIC is still new. Not much application notes.

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[/quote] DIP chip that I can just stick on my breadboard, adaptor sockets or something else.

If you are looking for a kind of connector to "transform" chips into DIP, try "machine tooled" on jameco.com

There are some sockets that u would like there.

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Sorry for that quote thing, just learining to use that.....

it should have bee the first part a quote and the sdecond the real thing... sorry

Look for Machine tooled on jameco or some other electronics supliers, they are not expensives either.

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Are they available for 100 LQFP packages? I'd love to see that!!!

JaaC

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I came across this japaneese site ..This guys has some DSP projects that you can do and he uses a simple AVR and amanzingly also a small DRAM
this project can be migrated to a lot of cpus (better to use on with a harware multiplier like the cygnal ).. with a little more power ..But to start doing DSP is starting point !
you can learn to do
DELAY
ECHO
PITCH CONVERSION
PITCH MODULATION
FILTER
BALANCE MODULATION

http://elm-chan.org/works/vp/report.html