May 25, 2009 #1 G GGAPBE96 Member level 2 Joined Oct 21, 2007 Messages 45 Helped 3 Reputation 6 Reaction score 3 Trophy points 1,288 Location Japan Activity points 1,548 1port Sparameter Does anyone know how to convert 1port S-parameter of passive component to 2port one? I measured some inductors on Impedance Analyzer and I got S11 characteristic. In addition, I want to know the through characteristic.
1port Sparameter Does anyone know how to convert 1port S-parameter of passive component to 2port one? I measured some inductors on Impedance Analyzer and I got S11 characteristic. In addition, I want to know the through characteristic.
May 25, 2009 #2 mauloftin Full Member level 6 Joined Oct 29, 2008 Messages 355 Helped 62 Reputation 122 Reaction score 36 Trophy points 1,308 Location CZ Activity points 3,285 1port Sparameter Hi If is it lossless network and reciprocal abs(S11)=abs(S22) and S12 = S21 = sqrt(1-S11²), exactly S11²+S12²=1. I hope, that I helped you..... Added after 3 minutes: btw , exactly I am not sure, if is inductor lossless......
1port Sparameter Hi If is it lossless network and reciprocal abs(S11)=abs(S22) and S12 = S21 = sqrt(1-S11²), exactly S11²+S12²=1. I hope, that I helped you..... Added after 3 minutes: btw , exactly I am not sure, if is inductor lossless......
May 25, 2009 #3 G GGAPBE96 Member level 2 Joined Oct 21, 2007 Messages 45 Helped 3 Reputation 6 Reaction score 3 Trophy points 1,288 Location Japan Activity points 1,548 Re: 1port Sparameter Hi,mauloftin Thank u for the reply. >S12 = S21 = sqrt(1-S11²) Can I calculate the phase of S21? It seems the energy conservation law. I may be mistaken, but I think that this formula is... |S11|^2 + |S12|^2 = 1 ==> |S21| = sqrt(1-|S11|^2) In fact,I think I can't get the phase of S21.
Re: 1port Sparameter Hi,mauloftin Thank u for the reply. >S12 = S21 = sqrt(1-S11²) Can I calculate the phase of S21? It seems the energy conservation law. I may be mistaken, but I think that this formula is... |S11|^2 + |S12|^2 = 1 ==> |S21| = sqrt(1-|S11|^2) In fact,I think I can't get the phase of S21.
May 25, 2009 #4 mauloftin Full Member level 6 Joined Oct 29, 2008 Messages 355 Helped 62 Reputation 122 Reaction score 36 Trophy points 1,308 Location CZ Activity points 3,285 Re: 1port Sparameter GGAPBE96 said: Hi,mauloftin Thank u for the reply. >S12 = S21 = sqrt(1-S11²) Can I calculate the phase of S21? It seems the energy conservation law. I may be mistaken, but I think that this formula is... |S11|^2 + |S12|^2 = 1 ==> |S21| = sqrt(1-|S11|^2) In fact,I think I can't get the phase of S21. Click to expand... yes, of course, |S11|^2 + |S12|^2 = 1 ==> |S21| = sqrt(1-|S11|^2) it is OK, sorry. For the phase in this case: 2Φ12 = Φ11 + Φ22 ± Pi Φ12=Φ21
Re: 1port Sparameter GGAPBE96 said: Hi,mauloftin Thank u for the reply. >S12 = S21 = sqrt(1-S11²) Can I calculate the phase of S21? It seems the energy conservation law. I may be mistaken, but I think that this formula is... |S11|^2 + |S12|^2 = 1 ==> |S21| = sqrt(1-|S11|^2) In fact,I think I can't get the phase of S21. Click to expand... yes, of course, |S11|^2 + |S12|^2 = 1 ==> |S21| = sqrt(1-|S11|^2) it is OK, sorry. For the phase in this case: 2Φ12 = Φ11 + Φ22 ± Pi Φ12=Φ21
May 25, 2009 #5 G GGAPBE96 Member level 2 Joined Oct 21, 2007 Messages 45 Helped 3 Reputation 6 Reaction score 3 Trophy points 1,288 Location Japan Activity points 1,548 Re: 1port Sparameter Oh,, thank you so much! Unfortunately,I couldn't understand why 2Φ12 = Φ11 + Φ22 ± Pi. I have to study basic theory.
Re: 1port Sparameter Oh,, thank you so much! Unfortunately,I couldn't understand why 2Φ12 = Φ11 + Φ22 ± Pi. I have to study basic theory.
May 26, 2009 #6 mauloftin Full Member level 6 Joined Oct 29, 2008 Messages 355 Helped 62 Reputation 122 Reaction score 36 Trophy points 1,308 Location CZ Activity points 3,285 Re: 1port Sparameter GGAPBE96 said: Oh,, thank you so much! Unfortunately,I couldn't understand why 2Φ12 = Φ11 + Φ22 ± Pi. I have to study basic theory. Click to expand... Good morning, I am solving this problem too, now. But why is 2Φ12 = Φ11 + Φ22 ± Pi - I am not sure..... I have idea, but I am not sure..... may be try read this: https://books.google.com/books?id=3...matrix+of+reciprocal,+lossless&as_brr=3&hl=cs
Re: 1port Sparameter GGAPBE96 said: Oh,, thank you so much! Unfortunately,I couldn't understand why 2Φ12 = Φ11 + Φ22 ± Pi. I have to study basic theory. Click to expand... Good morning, I am solving this problem too, now. But why is 2Φ12 = Φ11 + Φ22 ± Pi - I am not sure..... I have idea, but I am not sure..... may be try read this: https://books.google.com/books?id=3...matrix+of+reciprocal,+lossless&as_brr=3&hl=cs
May 27, 2009 #7 G GGAPBE96 Member level 2 Joined Oct 21, 2007 Messages 45 Helped 3 Reputation 6 Reaction score 3 Trophy points 1,288 Location Japan Activity points 1,548 Re: 1port Sparameter OK, I'll read it.