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    calculation and plot of phase noise for phase frequency detector in cadence

    Hi all,

    I am trying to find how to find phase noise for phase frequency detector in PLL in cadence.
    Everyone is discussing about phase noise in VCO.
    Please any one can help me in finding phase noise value and plot in cadence.


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    Re: calculation and plot of phase noise for phase frequency detector in cadence

    Perhaps you can find the info here: pss_and_phase_noise_analylsis_of_oscillators_in_cadence_171.pdf

    If this is not enough, try one of these links.


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    Re: calculation and plot of phase noise for phase frequency detector in cadence

    Quote Originally Posted by erikl View Post
    Perhaps you can find the info here: pss_and_phase_noise_analylsis_of_oscillators_in_cadence_171.pdf

    If this is not enough, try one of these links.

    thank u for the reply I got the answer
    do u know how to plot phase sentivity and phase difference in cadence?



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    Re: calculation and plot of phase noise for phase frequency detector in cadence

    Quote Originally Posted by tanyadey View Post
    I got the answer
    If you use Cdence APS, I recommend you to use Shooting-PSS/FullSpectrum-Pnoise.
    See http://www.designers-guide.org/Forum...1438976388/2#2

    Quote Originally Posted by tanyadey View Post
    do u know how to plot phase sentivity and phase difference in cadence?
    It's very easy.

    See page-36 in the following.
    http://een.iust.ac.ir/profs/Abrisham...20HspiceRF.pdf

    If you use Cadence Spectre or Cadence APS, invoke PSS Analysis.
    Assume PFD have two inputs, ref_clk and fb_clk.

    Sweep phase difference between ref_clk and fb_clk in PSS.
    And then plot real part of zero order harmonics of current flowing to load voltage source which is biased at typical vcontrol voltage for VCO.
    Next apply deriv() to Icp v.s. delta_phi.

    The following is a case of Synopsys HSPICE.
    However it can be same as Cadence Spectre.
    https://www.edaboard.com/thread345554.html


    The followings are general notes for you.

    - Don't use unfamiliar abbreviations such as "U R right", "Do U", "thank u", etc.
    - There is no tool which name is Cadence.
    - Always describe correct tool's name and vendor's name which you use as tool or simulator.
    - There are many simulators which have analyses called as PSS, PAC and Pnoise.
    - Describe in detail and correctly with using correct terminologies.
    - Warnigns are different from Errors.
    - Don't use Direct Plot of Cadence ADE blindly without knowing definition.
    - Don't mix up Simulation with Post Processing. They are completely different phase.



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    Re: calculation and plot of phase noise for phase frequency detector in cadence

    Quote Originally Posted by pancho_hideboo View Post
    If you use Cdence APS, I recommend you to use Shooting-PSS/FullSpectrum-Pnoise.
    See http://www.designers-guide.org/Forum...1438976388/2#2

    It's very easy.

    See page-36 in the following.
    http://een.iust.ac.ir/profs/Abrisham...20HspiceRF.pdf

    If you use Cadence Spectre or Cadence APS, invoke PSS Analysis.
    Assume PFD have two inputs, ref_clk and fb_clk.

    Sweep phase difference between ref_clk and fb_clk in PSS.
    And then plot real part of zero order harmonics of current flowing to load voltage source which is biased at typical vcontrol voltage for VCO.
    Next apply deriv() to Icp v.s. delta_phi.

    The following is a case of Synopsys HSPICE.
    However it can be same as Cadence Spectre.
    https://www.edaboard.com/thread345554.html


    The followings are general notes for you.

    - Don't use unfamiliar abbreviations such as "U R right", "Do U", "thank u", etc.
    - There is no tool which name is Cadence.
    - Always describe correct tool's name and vendor's name which you use as tool or simulator.
    - There are many simulators which have analyses called as PSS, PAC and Pnoise.
    - Describe in detail and correctly with using correct terminologies.
    - Warnigns are different from Errors.
    - Don't use Direct Plot of Cadence ADE blindly without knowing definition.
    - Don't mix up Simulation with Post Processing. They are completely different phase.

    thanks for the reply.
    I will try your suggestion.
    ok from now onwards I will try writing in a formal manner.



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