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Hi,
I want to simulate and test a RF IC. its large signal model without layout is available on the producer website. how can I do thermal simulation on this IC? no further file is available except that large signal model. in fact, I want to do thermal simulation on the test circuit which uses this IC. I have attached the microwave test circuit schematic.
 

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It's generally difficult to predict thermal response of such application circuit because you don't know all the details about package, substrate, heatsink etc. RFIC or MMIC circuits are easier for predicting thermal effect because almost all layer specifications are readily available.
All you can do is to measure the thermal vision of the board.
 

Hi, BigBoss
thank you for your response.
well I have some clues. I have attached two images in the following. I have performed Co-simulation on the test circuit which was available in the datasheet. now, I continue simulations in schematic window.
as you can see in the "self thermal" image, there is one feature in IC property in ADS which apparently provides thermal feature.
also, in the "thermal lead" image, you can see two leads connected to the IC which apparently help two do thermal simulation.
but we do not have any tutorials on how to perform thermal simulation. for example, there nothing said on datasheet about what we should connect to thermal leads in the IC. there is nothing in datasheet or producer company.
have you any similar experiences working with such ICs or have you any advice to perform thermal analyses?
 

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It's generally difficult to predict thermal response of such application circuit because you don't know all the details about package, substrate, heatsink etc. RFIC or MMIC circuits are easier for predicting thermal effect because almost all layer specifications are readily available.
All you can do is to measure the thermal vision of the board.
Hi, @BigBoss
thank you for your response.
well I have some clues. I have attached two images in the following. I have performed Co-simulation on the test circuit which was available in the datasheet. now, I continue simulations in schematic window.
as you can see in the "self thermal" image, there is one feature in IC property in ADS which apparently provides thermal feature.
also, in the "thermal lead" image, you can see two leads connected to the IC which apparently help two do thermal simulation.
but we do not have any tutorials on how to perform thermal simulation. for example, there nothing said on datasheet about what we should connect to thermal leads in the IC. there is nothing in datasheet or producer company.
have you any similar experiences working with such ICs or have you any advice to perform thermal analyses?
 

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