niholan
Newbie level 3
Hi All,
I am currently studying compact antenna designs for small hand-held devices.
One of my initial thoughts was to grow my antenna pattern onto a piece of FR4 board and fed it with a piece of 50ohm micro-coaxial cable, which was then connected to the U.FL connector soldered on the main board of the terminal.
In this configuration, the antenna is connected to the device only through the coaxial cable.
After some quick experiments, I found something quite puzzled.
If I made a PCB antenna in any form and connect it to the system ground with a piece of coaxial cable, the return loss changes hugely while the cable is routed in different way or position. It even creates some unexpected deep responses on S11 which are not supposed to be there.
It gives me an strong impression that this piece of coax is becoming part of my antenna pattern now (w.r.t. the ground plane of the device).
Based on this, I have a few questions and hope you can help me clarify some of them. Many thanks in advance for your help!
1. Is this what you are supposed to see if you do not stick your antenna onto the system ground plane but connect them with a coaxial cable instead?
2. I heard someone said this coax won't be a big issue if you design your antenna in dipole or monopole( provided that it has a ground plane area which is large enough on the PCB for the antenna ). In other words, the antenna should be of balanced form or given a large ground plane for itself. Is that right?
(Although my quick experiment rejected the dipole one, I am afraid the fact that I didn't use a balun in-between the dipole and coax might be ruining the result)
3. I found some so-called "ground plane independent" PCB antenna on google search, and most of them are connected through coaxial cables as well. They seem to be of monopole form with a small block serving as a local ground plane on the PCB.
**broken link removed**
Will these types of designs suffer from the changes for coaxial cable length or connecting locations?
4. Currently, patch is my best option without taking the huge size and valuable bw into account. Any other suggestions or thoughts on this?
Lastly, if you read the whole post till this line, you have proven that you are an antenna expert or you really enjoy discussing anything about antenna. Please allow me to express my gratitude on meeting you and sincere appreciation on any of your advices, suggestions, or discussion.

I am currently studying compact antenna designs for small hand-held devices.
One of my initial thoughts was to grow my antenna pattern onto a piece of FR4 board and fed it with a piece of 50ohm micro-coaxial cable, which was then connected to the U.FL connector soldered on the main board of the terminal.
In this configuration, the antenna is connected to the device only through the coaxial cable.
After some quick experiments, I found something quite puzzled.
If I made a PCB antenna in any form and connect it to the system ground with a piece of coaxial cable, the return loss changes hugely while the cable is routed in different way or position. It even creates some unexpected deep responses on S11 which are not supposed to be there.
It gives me an strong impression that this piece of coax is becoming part of my antenna pattern now (w.r.t. the ground plane of the device).
Based on this, I have a few questions and hope you can help me clarify some of them. Many thanks in advance for your help!
1. Is this what you are supposed to see if you do not stick your antenna onto the system ground plane but connect them with a coaxial cable instead?
2. I heard someone said this coax won't be a big issue if you design your antenna in dipole or monopole( provided that it has a ground plane area which is large enough on the PCB for the antenna ). In other words, the antenna should be of balanced form or given a large ground plane for itself. Is that right?
(Although my quick experiment rejected the dipole one, I am afraid the fact that I didn't use a balun in-between the dipole and coax might be ruining the result)
3. I found some so-called "ground plane independent" PCB antenna on google search, and most of them are connected through coaxial cables as well. They seem to be of monopole form with a small block serving as a local ground plane on the PCB.
**broken link removed**
Will these types of designs suffer from the changes for coaxial cable length or connecting locations?
4. Currently, patch is my best option without taking the huge size and valuable bw into account. Any other suggestions or thoughts on this?
Lastly, if you read the whole post till this line, you have proven that you are an antenna expert or you really enjoy discussing anything about antenna. Please allow me to express my gratitude on meeting you and sincere appreciation on any of your advices, suggestions, or discussion.