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# How to model dipol in UHF panel antenna

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Please, how to model this dipol in SuperNEC or any NEC software?

thx!

coax dipol

Just insert the source between the upper and lower halfes of the dipole. At this point the coax feeder shall see a 50 ohm match. 'Line' in your figure is assumed to to read 'coaxial line feeder'.

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The versions of NEC that the public can afford and be allowed to use only have wires and lumped impedances (no surfaces). You are going to have trouble with the coaxial structure. My only suggestion is to approximate the outer conductors of the coax with many parallel wires runnning the length and connected by perpendicualr wires (like hoops around the circumfrence) at the ends and possibly several points down the length.

Another problem with NEC is wires too close together. This may keep the coax from being accurately modeled.

You may be stuck having to use some more complex 3D type simulator.

dipol fÃ¶r uhf

Thanks all very much !

With source between the upper and lower halfes of the dipole, Supernec
produce wrong radiation pattern as You can see.

Simulation frequency is 456 MHz.

Dipole is only 36 mm in diameter.

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What source VSWR do you achieve? Or complex impedance in A+jB form?

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It looks like there is a phase reversal problem with the null down the center. I assume that the physical measurements say that there is no null.

Your NEC model does not have the connection of the center of each element to the reflecting plane. First put those in and rerun the simulation.

If you still have the null problem, try simulating a subset of the driven elements and first use just one of the four driven elements. Look for the null. If it is there this is your problem Next do two elements that are end to end. Look for the null. If it is there, reverse the phase of one of the driving voltage generators.

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Thank you both!

Your suggestions help me to realise that I made mistake in process of modelling. I created a lower pair of dipoles as reflection of the upper pair. If you reflect dipoles, they are rotated as well and this is not appropriate way in this case.
TRANSLATE option must be used instead REFLECT option, in SuperNEC. Now, radiation pattern is similar as it is in Kathrein catalogue. The only problem seems to be gain issue, because gain value it is about 2 dBd lower then it is noticed in the catalogue.

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You might try putting more grid lines in the sheet to see if the lost 2 dB of gain comes back. Another thing to check is if the reflecting sheet is the same size as the one in your simulation. You might try an experiment where in your simulation you increase the size of the reflector. Finally, measure your physical antenna and the commercial one. They may have been overoptimistic in selecting numbers to put on their data sheet.

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This is an example of excellent reverse engineering performed by lado5!

What we have been watching is how a curious and creative engineer have used EDA software to analyze and simulate this dipole array. Very exiting!

We have also seen how powerful and efficient Elektroda forum is for these kind of discussions.

I will take the opportunity to thank flatulent for all professional and gentle comments to many questions asked in the Elektroda forums. It's a real pleasure to read the answers you post!

Good luck lado5 and flatulent!

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