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History Buffs Wanted. What Am I Missing?

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In my opinion, the best way to learn anything is to study the history ...rather than studying what's already refined. Putting together a timeline (video:p). Fast forward to the questions at the bottom if you don't want to read what's below.

Here we go:

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More than 2000 years later, William Gilbert, Queen Elizabeth's 1st physician, noted that glass rubbed with silk became "amberized" - electrified (1st to use this term), & that other materials, could also be enlivened this way. Gilbert studied amber, as the Greeks did. He named it's attractive power "vis electricia," Latin for electricity.

For centuries it had been thought that the secret to amber's attractive powers resided in the way it grew arm when rubbed. Drawing on his experiments, Gilbert surmised that when amber was rubbed, there was a transfer of "effluvium" to the smooth surface & that it was this unseen substance that attracted other materials.

A French chemist, Charles Francois De Cisternay Dufay, went on to discover that rubbed amber repelled objects that rubbed glass attracted. Electricity he concluded, must come in two forms: "resinous" & "vitreous."

Otto Von Guericke built what he believed was a scale model of the earth. Coating the inside of the glass sphere with sulfur & minerals, he heated it & then broke the glass, leaving a perfectly round sphere. He placed it in a machine that turned it against a pair of leather pads in an effort to simulate planetary powers. Apparently, he had accepted Gilberts theory that electricity & gravity were linked, but he unwisely rejected the idea of the earth as a giant magnet. despite his poor assumptions, what he had done was give the follow sulfur ball an electrostatic charge. Once charged, the sphere attracted light objects -just as the amber in ancient times -such as feathers & bits of cloth & rejecting other substances.

Hauskbee & Christian Hausen soon improved on Guericke's machine, replacing the sulfur sphere with one of glass.

1706, Francis Hauskbee offered up another tool for electrical experimentation. A simple glass tube some 30" long. When rubbed with a piece of cloth, it also held an electrical charge. Unlike Guericke's electrostatic machine, the glass tube was not only a reliable way of storing a charge, albeit very briefly, but was also simple to charge & inexpensive to manufacture. Virtually anyone with an interest could acquire one of the tubes, opening the doors of experimentation to an even greater number of amateur scientists.

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I'll stop there. I'm ending right before Stephen Gray adopted the glass tube & ran his famous "charter house" experiment with the boy on the swing (Gray split the world into what he called "conductors" & "insulators"). 1745, Ewald Von Kleist had the idea of storing electricity might be a good idea to further his experiments. Beginning with Dufay's findings that water had a natural affinity for electricity, he set to work. -Had to add that last part in there. Leyden jar:razz:


Questions:

2000 years is a HUGE time frame. Is there anyone else to make note of or should Gilbert receive all (or most of) the credit?

When was Gilbert's theory on effluvium disproved? Was it the discovery of triboelectricity?

Much of the above is from the book "The Battery." In this book, the author jumps straight from the Greeks to Guericke. He never mentioned Gilbert (shocker!). What was Guericke's intention? ...planetary powers? Really (sarcasm)?



NOTE: I have not included Farday, Oersted (Farday gets too much credit, hehe), Maxwell, Franklin, Nollet, Cavendish, Galvani, Volta, Henry, etc...

These gentlemen, the few I included, did not come until AFTER what is listed above. Trying to keep my questions within the period of the Greeks to Gray.

If anyone has any other books I can read, please make note!


Sources: The Battery, BBC Light Fantastic & BBC Shock & Awe Of Electricity, ... ???
 

I'm assuming he meant "grew warm when rubbed".
Similarly "follow sulfur ball" should be "hollow sulfur ball".

This is just nit-picking though. His writing is much better than most on this forum.
 
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Could 2,000 years really go by without people getting shocks (static electricity), just like we do? I wonder.

Though I know of no historical references to shocks and sparks prior to Benjamin Franklin...
When you think about it, they are something people get used to. We can't do much else, since they are momentary events, and not easy to examine.
 

I've just been trawling through Wikipedia, starting with the idea that there may have been some scientific investigation of these phenomena in the ancient Middle eastern / Arabic / Islamic world, and ended up following links from "Mathematics in medieval *****" to "Science in the medieval Islamic world", and finally to"Physics in medieval *****".

That last article is interesting. Most of the content has been gutted due to an edit-war, but there's still a long list of references at the bottom of the page. There are also some interesting clues buried in the arguments on the "talk" page of that article. For example:

"Arabic writers were aware of magnetism since the 9th century, when Muhammad ibn Zakarīya Rāzi (Rhazes) wrote a treatise on the subject. In the 12th century, Ibn Bajjah (Avempace) described the properties of magnets and its attraction towards iron.[134] Like some of the ancient Greek philosophers, the early Islamic philosophers were also aware of the properties of natural plastic amber, and they observed that it can draw up small bits of paper"

-both of the fact that magnets attract iron and amber attracting paper has been known since the 7th century BC

edit: Oopsie, I seem to have offended the censorship software. Sorry about that. No offense to anyone intended.
 

edit: Oopsie, I seem to have offended the censorship software. Sorry about that. No offense to anyone intended.

It is simply that certain words are usually used to start none electronic discussions or cause offence (although not in your case!). You cannot have a c r a c k in a circuit board for example.

Keith
 

Could 2,000 years really go by without people getting shocks (static electricity), just like we do?
That was my first thought too. I guess the question is whether anybody bothered to investigate the phenomenon.

It's a bit like Isaac Newton "discovering" gravity. Gravity's been switched on since forever. even Og the caveman must have noticed that when he let go his club, it fell down. However there's no record of him giving the subject any further thought beyond "foot hurt, club bad!". If someone were to find a cave painting depicting Og dropping different size clubs on someone else's foot, for example, that would certainly be noteworthy.
 

That was my first thought too. I guess the question is whether anybody bothered to investigate the phenomenon.

That was my first thought too. I guess the question is whether anybody bothered to investigate the phenomenon.

This.

I am looking for written text to study, specifically electricity. If Gilbert studied the Greek's work on amber's "attractive powers," then it is only logical for me to think that Gilbert was the first to further investigate this phenomenon ...at least worthy enough to make note as it is he who proved that other materials, not just amber, could be "electrified" by way of friction.

However, 2000 years is a HUGE gap. Figured I'd post here to see if anyone knew of any content I could cover & possibly make note of in my timeline. **Note that magnetism has a history of it's own & I'd really like to tackle electricity first ...at least until Oersted comes into play.


Brad, here is the link to Franklin (leaving off from Kleist)

1745, Edwald Jurgen Von Kleist had the idea that storing electricity might be a good idea to further his experiments. Beginning with Du Fay's findings that water had a natural affinity for electricity, he set to work. Barely a month after beginning his research efforts to store an electrical charge, he related his news of just such a device to a physicist & doctor J.N. LieberKohr & a few others by letter.

He writes,

"If a nail, strong wire, etc... is introduced into a narrow necked little medicine bottle & electrified, especially powerful effects will follow. The glass must be very dry & warm. Everything works better if a little mercury or alcohol is place inside. The flare appears on the little bottle as soon as it is removed from the machine, & I have been able to take over 60 paces around the room by the light off this little burning instrument."

The instrument Kleist stumbled upon was a condenser -a kind of battery -that he charged through the nail point with an electrostatic generator similar to Guericke's machine. The free electricity inside created a corona discharge emitting a dim light. Unfortunately, none of those who received his letters was able to repeat the experiment successfully. Kleistt either neglected to mention or failed to notice that the bottles exterior must be grounded by holding it -while charging.

Andras Cunaeus tried to reproduce Bose's experiment at home. Lacking a lab assistant, he held the jar while charging it & received a powerful shock.

Two days later, Peter Von Musschinbrook, Cunaeus's friend, duplicated the lawyer's experiment substituting a large globe for the small jar & received an even stronger shock.

Nollet discovered that while both the inside & the outside of the jar needed to be dry & clean, any non oily liquid could replace water & the shape of the vessel didn't matter. (keep in mind how bad this would have confused people as they thought the electricity resided in the water. They thought, "why would the electricity be more powerful if the water was emptied?" Keep reading. Franklin set about to figure it out)

1743, Benjamin Franklin happened to attend Dr. Archibald Spencer's demonstration in Boston, which featured one of Hauksbee's glass rods. Franklins fascination also extended to leyden jars. Working with Kinnersley as his assistant, he set about improving the jars design. Either he or Kinnersley coated the outside with metallic foil, essentially replacing the user's hand as a cathode that accepted electrons. Franlklin set about to learn just how the mysterious force & jar worked. Where exactly did the powerful electric charge - the "subtle fluid" reside in the jar? After charging a leyden jar, he began to dissect it -testing each component for an electrical charge, even switching out the water for a charged jar. What he discovered & related to Collinson in a latter, was that the charge was created by the sum of the jars components , - the two metallic surfaces divided by the non-conductive glass. The power of electrical charge was in it's movement from one metallic surface to another.

I'll stop there for now as this is getting lengthy, but Franklin set out to prove electricity & lightning were the same thing. Contrary to popular belief, it wasn't even Franklin who conducted this experiment first. It was actually a Frenchman from Bordeaux. Thomas Francois O' Aliband, who had read a somewhat poor translation of the American's proposed experiment & decided to try it himself (May 10, 1752)

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Franklin coined the terms: charged, charge, condense, discharge, & electrical shock...

He replaced what Du Fay had called "resinous" & "virtuous" with the terms "negative" & "positive." -Presumably because Franklin's job, he saw electricity as debit (positive & negative) ...trying to balance out, just as an ideal economy would

Next in the story comes Galvani (VS Volta hehe)
 

Much of the above is from the book "The Battery." In this book, the author jumps straight from the Greeks to Guericke.

Speaking of batteries, there is an archeological find that could be a battery, from early AD. It consists of a terracotta jar, a rolled-up copper sheet, and an iron nail. The metal pieces were kept from touching by bitumen plugs or stoppers.

If vinegar were poured into the jar, it could serve as electrolyte. It would create a galvanic cell.

That is how the director of a museum interpreted their purpose, after he saw these artifacts in the museum's collection. He presented his thoughts in a paper in 1940. It was dubbed the Baghdad Battery, or Parthian Battery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery

"If correct, the artifacts would predate Alessandro Volta's 1800 invention of the electrochemical cell by more than a millennium."
 

I don't see historians ever coming to an agreement on this. Early AD? Hm, known metals were listed & recorded as far back as 1700 BC. Guess all it took was someone to get creative with them.

Thought about this in the shop today -holding a nail & a screw in mouth. This is actually the same way Volta disproved Galvani's theory on "animal electricity" & helped him create the Voltaic Pile. -Placing various coins in his mouth.
 

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