causeitso said:but still no real manufacturing and no real designs the design idea is already made outside.
safwatonline said:anyway i just wanted u to chill up a little bit and not to talk like this about Egypt even if it is true this shouldnt be said on forign sites, pleased to meet u and welecome to the board.
regards,
a.safwat
Abu-Abdullah said:Assalamou Alaikum,
I have a view in the middle between you two.
This may hurt some of you, but definitely Egypt does NOT rule in any aspect of life, especially business and industry, or by any standard. I am sorry to say it but if you think so, you need to look at other countries that were way behind us and are now much ahead. You can even look at our own standard of life and quality of life and see how it has deteriorated badly over the years. But then I digress..
On the other hand, to assume that if you do not design a full chip, you are not a designer is very unfair. Admittedly, designing a full chip involves a ton more issues, tools and processes but on the other hand some of the designs being tackled are very complex and require very specialized skills that are very much in demand even in North America. India, with the outsourcing model, is now attracting a huge number of designs from NA and Europe and very very few of that are full chips as far I am aware.
We need to think a bit deeper. The issue is "where is the market?". If you don't have a market and a viable one, you can not afford to spend the huge capital required to develop the breadth of the team but rather you have to focus on specialized skills that maintain the demand for your team. It is all a matter of ROI (return on investment). Do you know how much it costs to spin the masks in 0.13um (not even 90nm or 65nm)? how much it costs to license one point tool, let alone all the tools for the whole chip flow?
If Egyptian companies are successful in attracting customers (which are currently not in Egypt!), they will be able to develop all of this expertise over time. What we need is business development, connections and networking with customers, and innovative ideas to have viable customers and a good chance to succeed and to continue to exist.
Another approach would be to have an Egyptian customer, meaning start up another company in Egypt that develops say a telecom or computing equipment (some kind of central office equipment or CPE or whatever) that is needed in the local or regional market and have it supplied by your IC market. However, this is a much tougher approach because it means that the equipment company needs ever more investments and poses more business risk, the chips it needs may be available from other vendors at lower cost, a larger infrastructure is needed... etc. This model won't work, in my opinion, unless there is a bigger will to make it succeed, something like a national plan, funding and protection until it is able to compete. In some countries, the military industries are that market that requires the support of an IC company and many others. Here I am digressing again...
This is, again, why a small company, trying to be a design services house and trying to sub-contract small designs (not a full chip), is a good feasible step in the current conditions... Hey, that is again the Indian model that is now threatening some western engineers of losing their jobs...
-AA
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