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An amplifier circuit for a piezoelectric disk for ultrasound

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Hey guys,

I need your help. I am a bit lost. I have to build an amplifier circuit for a piezoelectric disk for ultrasound generation in university.
The technical data (piezoelectric disk):

Resonant frequency = 80 kHz
Electrical capacity = 35 nF
Max. Supply voltage = 400 V

In the university I have a function generator which supplies me with an alternating voltage with the desired frequency (70 kHz). I think it would make most sense to build a driver circuit.

I would be very grateful if you could explain me how to proceed.
How should the amplifier circuit look like, which components and what else I have to consider.


Thanks in advance
 

One key question is, "can you drive it with a square wave?" (with
acceptable results). A resonant load might reject the upper
harmonics and give adequate "spectral purity" in the acoustic
domain (or not, depending on Q and the piezo slab's ability
to translate higher electrical frequencies.

35nF is chubby and 400V is pretty large swing. You could find
half-bridge power stages that will go bang-bang (switching)
at those voltages. Finding a good linear amp, with voltage
gain of (what, 10-50?) and a good RMS current capability
and the thermal attributes to support that all, will be a
narrower field.

Companies like Apex make hybrids for this kind of thing
(whether ot not to the load and voltage you state). A
Class D audio amp might be another way to go if you
need spectral purity, but not too many audio systems use
a 400V+ supply (being for 2-8 ohms resistive, this would be
something like a 10kW - 2.5kW audio channel where norms
are 10-100W).

And you might need to remove some input filter (> 20kHz) to get
what you want, out of the PWM.

I'd bet there are interesting papers out there that speak
better to the "care-abouts" and "gotchas". Might have to
try a few keywords to get at what is pertinent. Maybe you
have some in mind already; if not, look for products in that
application-niche and follow the buzzwords as breadcrumbs.
 
Hey guys,

I need your help. I am a bit lost. I have to build an amplifier circuit for a piezoelectric disk for ultrasound generation in university.
The technical data (piezoelectric disk):

Resonant frequency = 80 kHz
Electrical capacity = 35 nF
Max. Supply voltage = 400 V

In the university I have a function generator which supplies me with an alternating voltage with the desired frequency (70 kHz). I think it would make most sense to build a driver circuit.

I would be very grateful if you could explain me how to proceed.
How should the amplifier circuit look like, which components and what else I have to consider.


Thanks in advance
First of all thank you for your answer.

I can't use a square voltage thats why i can't use FET or a Mosfet. The disc behave like a capacitor.
When i want o graduate a ultrasound with a frequency with 70 kHz how high must be the current when the input voltage is max 400 V and the capacitance 35 000 n?
 

A piezo disc does not behave like a capacitor in the operating frequency range. It behaves like a LC+C series/parallel resonator with real impedance in both resonance points. Ultrasonic power sources are mostly operated in series resonance.

Curiously you aren't yet talking about input power.
 

Think of it more like a resonant tuning fork. The impedance varies hugely just around resonance.

Best way to start out, run your function generator into it with a sine wave at just a few volts and plot the impedance change, and be prepared to be amazed.
You cannot design a driver for it unless you know the load impedance and required power level and the exact frequency.

To feed power into it optimally, its a lot more practical to choose the lowest dip in impedance, and drive it at that exact frequency.
Even a few hundred Hz either side of 70Khz will make a big difference.
Square wave drive will be fine.

Just because the disc will probably fracture at it 400v max rating, does not mean you must run it up that high.
A few tens of volts will probably be enough if you can get it to absorb enough drive current.
 
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