Security Alarms : How can i connect all the Tamper zones ?

how to wire a tamper circuit on an alarm

Hy

I want to build a small home alarm system and i need some advice from you.

I have the following components :

DSC CLASSIC PC1565-2P - Central Alarm System
DSC PC1555RK - Keypad
DSC Bravo 201 - Motion detector : 3 pieces
**broken link removed**

SOLO External Bell
**broken link removed**

TANE FM-102 - Magnetic Contact

Click to expand...

I will use 3 Zone for DSC Bravo 201 - Motion detector + 1 Zone for TANE FM-102 - Magnetic Contact

And i need to use in Zone : Z5 all the tamper zones.

How can i connect all the tamper zones to wiring it in one single zone,in Zone Z5?

DSC Bravo 201 it have Tamper connector
Solo External Bell it have Tamper connector
**broken link removed**


Can anyone help me and drawing a simple diagram how can i do this thing?
What kind of cable i need with 4 or 6 core cable?

Can i use any simple telephone cable for this?It will work?Or i need a special alarm cable?

thank you very much

24h tamper line

Yes you can use telephone cable, alarm cable or even bell wire to make a circuit for an alarm, the cable is nothing special. it works.

In general you need 4 wires, 2 for the closed detection circuit and 2 for the anti tamper loop.

Some devices (like PIR's) will need 6 wires as they also need a 12v supply.
Also the bell box will most likely need 6 wires.
So if you buy a roll it may be better to buy a roll of 6 core.

To connect all your tamper loops to a single zone simply have them all come back to the panel, then connect 1 cable into 1 terminal block and joint the other cable for the tamper to another loop and daisy chain them all until you end up with another unconnected end, this goes into the other tamper terminal block.

If your tamper loop is broken the alarm should go off immediately when the alarm is set.

However, providing that your wires are not accessible then you may not need to use a tamper loop on all devices.

can i use 6 core telephone cable for alarm system

in most alarm panels is two anti tamper loops
one called 24hr and one called anti tamper
for anti tamper you are right must go off straight off
but usualy there is an antitamper loop for each zone

if you want all the loops on one this is bad ... do each separate
then you know what zone was tampered with

24hr is userfull for a second loop out thru the alarm sounder and other equipment

you need 8 core cable for all your stuff even the contact
always leave a spare pair or two
1} you can use the pair rather than rip the cable out if you get problems
2} you can loop 24hr thru the whole alarm making it double safe
3} give people more to do if they decide to munch into a cable and start shorting pairs

use a different pair sets for each type of device you use
but vary these pair sets colours if you use more than one device
and keep a note of the colours used

for passives you need 1 pair for power 1pair for anti tamper 1 pair for 24hr and one pair for alarm closed loop

the 24hr cable should be set into the screws on the wall so if it is pulledoff and stuck intoa sock it still goes off as it breaks the 24hr loop


same with the bell box
with this system its lots more secure but a bit more haslte to test out
but worth it

finaly also using the 24hr looped thru a panic button

dont mount passives oposite doors with letter boxes in
the catch here is a kids water jet weapon using simple emulsion paint will render the sensor no use {this is a common one}

as for wiring it up this should be easy just power and pairs normaly closed loops and better you draw the circuit and if you get problems let us know

always wire the panel last
and run from the sensor back to the panel dont be tempted to solder wires up
always use a joint box and antitamper loops efficiently

power up on battery first reckeck all parts then power on at the mains
{saves the alarm sounding too much}

get a very load siren as load as aloud is the rule
so check your local noise polution laws there may be an SABM inside it
{self actuating bell module} this will need to charge sometimes then it rings by its self check this parts works and all tamper switches

and service it once every 6 months making a log
for your insurace company you want to get a qualified guy to sign it off
then youll get a discount

wiring tamper circuits

Hello,

Being an alarm installer for over 31 years I really don't see the need to run a separate loop back to the control from every single device for tamper detection...
A motion sensor has a normally closed set of alarm contacts and a normally closed set of tamper switch contacts. Put the end of line resistor between one contact point of the alarm loop and the other side of the resistor to one side of the tamper contacts. Now you only need 4 wires back to the panel. The only benefit of a tamper switch on a motion sensor is to tell you if the cover has been removed. If the system is armed and someone goes to tamper with the device the device will more than likely pick them up as they approach the device. DON'T FORGET TO PUT THE END OF LINE RESISTOR IN THE DEVICE. NOT IN THE PANEL!

Now I would bring the tamper switch wiring of any outside device such as the siren or bell box back to the panel. There is no way of detecting movement in or around the box as it doesn't have a motion detector built in. Bell boxes and siren boxes need 2 switches installed. One on the cover and one it the box is removed from the wall. These are both normally closed devices so you would series the switches together. Put the zone end of line resistor in the circuit within the box. This way if someone accesses the wiring away from the box and puts a short on the loop, it will get detected right away. This zone can be a 24 hour circuit. I fyour panel has enough zones to put each sensor on its own zone then you can install the end of line resistor at each device instead of in the panel. If you are going to put more than one sensor on a loop then put the end of line resistor at the last device on the loop.

Hope this helps you!

BobK

tamper wiring dsc panels

hey man maybe the guy as i pointed out should check local laws

i have fitted alarms in many countrys in europe and outer europe

well you being securitry concious !!! not...# you maybe
wont understand why in some country's
it is law you run a 24 hr loop to all devices embeded to screws

and also a separate antitamper loop to device tampers

maybe you were an installer just in one country ??? 31 years

i just account for my own experience with local laws where i have worked
and finding out the hard way

unfortunatly there is no global standards


esp in africa where electric fence is totaly legal...
and also has a 24 hr current loop
by law

makes me mad.. to think people dont account for other countrys law

and for a total lack of foreign experience when posting

end of line resistor drawing

Please check the picture from attachment and tell me if you have any better ideas to do this tamper circuit more safely.

If something it's not good here please modify it this schematic and show it to me how to do it better.

I want to have a 24hour tamper circuit and even if the alarm it's not armed and someone will try to cut the wires the 24hour tamper circuit to trigger it.


thank you very much for your reply and help

pir with tamper double end of line resistors

hum this is not a very good panel
however the way you have wired it is fine

i see no 24hr loop unless some zones are in use as 24hr

the tamper circuit is not good and dosnt protect your equipment
when the alarm is in a disarmed state so i could steal
your bell box put in the boot of the car
and come back later and rob you blind even steal the alarm panel

very poor panel

resistor tamper pir eol

VSMVDD said:

hum this is not a very good panel
however the way you have wired it is fine

i see no 24hr loop unless some zones are in use as 24hr

the tamper circuit is not good and dosnt protect your equipment
when the alarm is in a disarmed state so i could steal
your bell box put in the boot of the car
and come back later and rob you blind even steal the alarm panel

very poor panel

Click to expand...

This isn't a car alarm!

It's DSC PC1565-2P a 6+1 zone apartment (house) alarm.

Please redraw all this picture if you tell me this isn't a good tamper citcuit !


In this second schematic all the tamper circuit are connected together in one single zone : Z5


This schematic is better like DEOLAlarmCircuit.jpg?


thank you

can i connect panic alarm button to bell

Hello,

Your second drawing is fine with one exception. The end of line resistors should always be connected to thge COM side of the loop. That way if the loop should get grounded at any point then the zone would go into alarm.

As for laws in different countries, that was never raised as a question in the original post. This person doing this project is a DIYer and the laws are his or her's problem not mine or yours. That's why alarms should be installed by professionals that work in your respective areas that are aware of the laws and rules that pertain to the installation AND programming of security systems. I honestly don't give a rats pituty what the laws are in Africa or any other country for that matter. The person that posted the question simply asked about how to wire tamper circuits. Not a rendition or speech about laws. There is no harm in putting the tamper circuit of an outside audible housing on a 24 hour zone to constantly monitor the enclosure. It doesn't have to sound an exterior alarm. It can simply be used to alert someone inside the building that the system is being tampered with. With the DSC product, there is a PGM terminal that can be connected to a small sounder that would do this job. Alarm panels today should be viewed as a creative tool and how creative you use the programming abilities of the sytem are to be considered on each job.

Sorry if I rubbed someone wrong here but I was simply answering the request for information.

BobK

iconnect esp alarm

here is a typical good panel
i know this panel you have isnt a car alarm but maybe it should be....

each zone loop should have its own tamper loop
and the panel should have a panic alarm loop and or a 24hr loop
see this picture