same soft as Timemill & Powermill

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cyteng

Member level 1
nasda hsim

Hi all,

Can any Pc's software do the same thing
as Timemill or Powermill ?

cyteng

prisnow

Member level 2
hsim & powermill

Using Synopsys Software

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Yes. Avanti, Mentor, Nassda have similar products on Linux and/or NT.

cssheu

Junior Member level 3
I think Timemill and Powermill are still the best.

cdic

Hi, jaz
would you mind telling me the name of similar products from Avanti for Linux or NT? as to my mind, avanti only release to Unix platform.
thank you

chyau

Member level 5
Hi,

hsim/Nasda,Star-simxt/Avanti,mach-TA/Mentor

Best Regards,
Chyau

ccljpeg

Junior Member level 3
H$im tool have window NT version and Linux version at PC. nano$im ( = timemill + VCS,) synop\$ys product , have window 2000/NT,
and Linux version

windflower

Member level 2
Timemill & Powermill have linux version too

edaguy69

I think Hsim is the best now in term of capacity, speed and accuracy.
The team develop H*sim is the very same team who developed TimeMill and PowerMill 7 years before.

electronlover

Junior Member level 2
hsim shmapesim

Hmmm... the age old debate... hsim or powermill. Interestingly enough I was a big hsim lover for no other aparent reason than it was something new. Painful experience has shown me that although both have annoying shortcomings, Powermill's I can overcome, Hsim's I cannot.
Case in point: pll's. I simulated the exact same pll on both simulators. Hsim was slower, but you are always left with the nagging thought, "maybe hsim was more accurate, thats why it was slower". Sadly this was not the case, as Hsim was acting in a non-physical manner. Externally it looked fine, but inside the vco it was oscillating common-mode. Which it did not do in spectre, hspice, or powermill.

And on the topic of Hsim being developed by the same people that did powermill... they use fundamentally different approaches. Hsim uses the heirarchical approach, which means that if you have identical cells (i.e. segmented DAC, memories, digital parts) you save much overhead, and gain speed. But for analog circuits that have non-repetitive parts hsim seems much slower. And both can be used on a linux system (nanosim being basically powermill). I am still not completely sure that powermill is better for everything, but even NASDA was unable to help me with correct settings. The long and short of it is this... I would be very careful when someone tells you that hsim is the cureall simulator. But let the debate continue!