proteus 741 op amp current to voltage converter

[gc627]

i know the basics of an op amp with just the negative and positive input and one output , using a resistor Rf it will stop the current flowing in to the inputs and instead convert it into a voltage at Vout

the supply is a ac current in the range of -2.5 to 2.5 mA with an frequency of 0.01 Hz and output is 2 to 3v
Rf = VoMax -VoMin /IinMax -IinMin = 3v - 2v / 0.0025A - -0.0025A = 200 ohms



so i know the 741 needs a supply voltage of up to 15 v to operate ,why does the supply voltage of pins 4 and 7 affect the output ?



ive looked all over for examples but the ones i see have just a positive and negative unknown value at pins , if anyone has any links explaining this it would be greatly appreciated

so one attempt is saying 3.97 v and even when i remove the ac source from the circuit and resimulate it doesn't change anything therefore it hasn't converting current to begin with ?

 

[KlausST]

Hi,

,why does the supply voltage of pins 4 and 7 affect the output ?

Does it?
I can´t verify this on your screenshots. (please in future use the screenshot feature instead of photos)

in your schematic both the inputs are GNDed. This can´t work. It just short circuits the AC input.

Klaus

 

[gc627]

ok i have updated my circuit however , as you can see current is flowing into the terminal of the op amp when it should be going to the resistor

G

 

[KlausST]

Hi,

--> remove the GND at the inverting input.

and read some basic OPAMP circuit stuff.

Klaus

 

[wwfeldman]

get national semiconductor application note 31

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiOysyKjLDwAhXXHc0KHRCJA-0QFjABegQIAhAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnatasha.eng.usf.edu%2Fgilbert%2Fcourses%2Finstrumentsystems%2Froadmaps%2F0_1page_opamps%2F13_0b_op_amp_config%2520notes.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1duF0MTZAyCdqLDWA9Yh1H

or the "newer" version from texas instruments

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj1mK6DirDwAhVYXM0KHRkwBfgQFjAAegQIBBAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ti.com%2Flit%2Fpdf%2Fsnla140&usg=AOvVaw1invasVq_8MINiZO0mX4tH

op amps are not passive devices like resistors and capacitors
they require power, provided by the power pins, 4 and 7 for the 741 as you noted in post 1

in general, the power pins do not effect the output
BUT, in general, if you apply insufficient voltage, the signal may be clipped at high voltage or at low voltage, or both.
for example, if you power the op-amp between 0V and 5V, but the output signal
should range beyond that, the signal will be clipped
in addition, there is some overhead in all op-amps - for a 741, you need to read the data sheet,
but i'm guessing about 1.5 V on both the high end and low end, so that the actual
output range is between -13.5V and +13.5V when powered between -15V and +15V

 

[andre_luis]

AFAIK, the suited way to define supply voltage on Proteus is by defining it on the "power rail configuration" menu, not by injecting a power source straight on the pins.

 

[gc627]

Hi,

--> remove the GND at the inverting input.

and read some basic OPAMP circuit stuff.

Klaus

ok ive completed my circuit, the input corresponds correctly with voltage output i used 2 resistors to achieve 2.5v for pin 3. my final question is what reasoning do i use for choosing them why not say two 470k resistors instead of two 10 k resistors. i plan to run the output through a low pass filter of 50Hz again i know the formula but how do i choose a realistic value for resistor ?

 

[KlausST]

what reasoning do i use for choosing them why not say two 470k resistors instead of two 10 k resistors.

* current consumption
* noise
* distortion
* other part values (capacitor values)
* for a filter: cut off frequency

Klaus

 

[Audioguru]

The input is -2.5mA to +2.5mA and the output must be from 2.0V to 3.0V.
Then the inputs must both have +2.5V of offset.
I posted this in the other two forums:

 

[Jimmylee]

hi,
Get to know more details about 741 op amp pinout info from https://www.apogeeweb.net/circuitry/lm741-operational-amplifiers.html, in the hope that you might find them useful.

 

[KlausST]

Hi,

Opamp 741 is from 1968 .... and that's what it's performance is.

Some may drive cars from the 1960ies because of their nostalgia...maybe they build some retro car or other devices with that old parts.
Nothing against it.

Everybody knows that there was an improvement with cars in the past 50 years. And it's the same with semiconductors.

I personally can't recommend someone to use that old devices for new designs.

Klaus

 

[Audioguru]

Did you notice the bulletin says the 741 opamp is 57 years old but other websites say it is 52 years old.
It says the minimum supply is +/-10V but some of them work with "only" +/-5V.
Some old teachers do not know about the advancements in modern opamps.