Welcome to EDAboard.com

Welcome to our site! EDAboard.com is an international Electronic Discussion Forum focused on EDA software, circuits, schematics, books, theory, papers, asic, pld, 8051, DSP, Network, RF, Analog Design, PCB, Service Manuals... and a whole lot more! To participate you need to register. Registration is free. Click here to register now.

Register Log in

Protel DXP or Protel 99SE

Status
Not open for further replies.

mgajo

Full Member level 2
Joined
May 15, 2001
Messages
147
Helped
3
Reputation
6
Reaction score
3
Trophy points
1,298
Activity points
1,019
Hi
what is better DXP or 99SE in real world not in papers?

Thanks
 

kekekaka

Junior Member level 3
Joined
Dec 23, 2002
Messages
26
Helped
0
Reputation
0
Reaction score
0
Trophy points
1,281
Activity points
206
Well according to protel there's lots new in protel dxp, but when i upgraded there has been barely any change in the core features at all (apart from the circuit simulation a little).
This document just seems to provide an insight into how the layout of the software as change, and the interface has become more 'user friendly'.
 

toad_th

Member level 1
Joined
Dec 10, 2001
Messages
41
Helped
0
Reputation
0
Reaction score
0
Trophy points
1,286
Activity points
259
I hesitate to install DXP because of the crazy recommand hardware requirement: 1.4GHz CPU, 64MB Video Card, 512MB System Memory
My computer is too old to meet it. :p
 

shanren

Advanced Member level 4
Joined
Oct 12, 2001
Messages
102
Helped
0
Reputation
0
Reaction score
0
Trophy points
1,296
Activity points
1,079
hi,of coruse DXP is better.it can open all format of pcb files of protel family,and better to use,more powerful.
i use protel dxp in my pii 350,128m dram,it works well in most conditions.but only in win2k or winxp.
REGARDS.
 

pool_77

Full Member level 3
Joined
Aug 8, 2001
Messages
183
Helped
5
Reputation
8
Reaction score
3
Trophy points
1,298
Location
EU
Activity points
1,267
I tested DXP on P2/400 and 128MB ram. The general speed was acceptable.
But library searching was terrible.

pool_77
 

stroma

Advanced Member level 4
Joined
Apr 25, 2002
Messages
114
Helped
9
Reputation
18
Reaction score
6
Trophy points
1,298
Activity points
837
I’m using P*otel DXP on 400MHz Celeron with 400MB RAM and I810 chipset /video/ and it works well enough. I think DXP is more _friendly_ than 99SE, but it is resource hungry as well.

best regards
 

lollobrigido

Full Member level 2
Joined
Dec 13, 2002
Messages
133
Helped
2
Reputation
4
Reaction score
1
Trophy points
1,298
Location
Italy
Activity points
1,001
pro 99 vs D*P

I think Pro 99 SE is bugless than Pro D*P. However I don't have sp2 so I can have only a partial vision of the product.
For small boards Pro 99 is better, for me.

Lollo
 

Sobakava

Full Member level 6
Joined
Mar 27, 2002
Messages
350
Helped
8
Reputation
16
Reaction score
8
Trophy points
1,298
Activity points
3,346
DXP

I can see both footprint and schematic at same time while designing
schematic with DXP. It's nice but my trial period is about to finish. :-(
 

Gomez

Full Member level 2
Joined
Feb 12, 2002
Messages
125
Helped
10
Reputation
20
Reaction score
3
Trophy points
1,298
Activity points
1,006
I have tested autorouter from Protel99SE and DXP. For same board, the autorouter from DXP need more time and can not route all connection. ;-)))

Gomez
 

tronoty

Member level 3
Joined
Apr 30, 2002
Messages
57
Helped
2
Reputation
4
Reaction score
2
Trophy points
1,288
Activity points
355
I have used both of them and like DXP much better
The interface has changed for the first time really positively and it seems faster and more stable. I am running it on a P4 2.4 GHZ

Tronoty
 

zgx

Member level 1
Joined
Feb 25, 2002
Messages
38
Helped
1
Reputation
2
Reaction score
0
Trophy points
1,286
Activity points
162
protel 99se is better in my computer.
 

Frosty

Full Member level 6
Joined
Dec 31, 1999
Messages
347
Helped
9
Reputation
18
Reaction score
3
Trophy points
1,298
Location
EARTH
Activity points
4,166
DXP is a bag of loose bolts. It has some new features hacked in to what is essentially a 99SE shell with some nice graphics. The integrated libraries are good.

But the workflow that has to be followed to get this bloated beast to work will add 25% at least to your design time compared to 99SE. :( :(

The autorouters in both are useless, buggy, resource hungry and do not follow rules properly [or worse completely ignore them]

DXP does have the potential to be a great front end if they ever fix it properly, but at the moment they seem to want to distract user focus to new features to cover up the fact that it has more bugs than 99se, slower, harder to work in and in some cases LESS feature (like good netlisters)

99SE has its own set of bugs, never been fixed, never will be since DXP released.

Why you think they still want to sell you 99SE product with 'free?' DXP upgrade when you are ready! See http://www.protel.com/migration/index.html for details of offer

R
 

panalog9

Full Member level 2
Joined
Feb 25, 2002
Messages
133
Helped
0
Reputation
0
Reaction score
0
Trophy points
1,296
Location
USA
Activity points
850
So what IS the ideal environment for design then ? I use 99SE right now, and while it has warts and all, I think it's the nicest one so far.

Haven't tried CADSt@R yet, but I hear pretty good things about it. PowerPCB has that incredible library set from pcbstandard.com, but the interface is too Win3.1/Win95. OrCAD - ehhhhh.

What are you using, and why is it better than the others ? <loaded question, I know :>
 

ghettoman

Full Member level 1
Joined
Apr 2, 2002
Messages
95
Helped
1
Reputation
2
Reaction score
1
Trophy points
1,288
Location
romania
Activity points
798
shure is 99se.dxp looks more :x whent is about hardware specification.
 

magnet

Newbie level 6
Joined
Mar 30, 2001
Messages
14
Helped
0
Reputation
0
Reaction score
0
Trophy points
1,281
Activity points
32
Last is best!

DXP is wonderful.
 

toad_th

Member level 1
Joined
Dec 10, 2001
Messages
41
Helped
0
Reputation
0
Reaction score
0
Trophy points
1,286
Activity points
259
I'll say, if you got used to the old version and never touch those new features coming with new version, and the new version will take you a long time to learn how to use, then for your ordinary work ( not for study purpose ), possible the old version is enough, and it saves your time to do the work because you are familiar with it.
 

toad_th

Member level 1
Joined
Dec 10, 2001
Messages
41
Helped
0
Reputation
0
Reaction score
0
Trophy points
1,286
Activity points
259
Most of us have such experience that, the best tool for us is the one we used all the time and knew quite well about it, thus we can handle it freely. Right?
 

Thiago

Junior Member level 3
Joined
Feb 15, 2002
Messages
27
Helped
0
Reputation
0
Reaction score
0
Trophy points
1,281
Activity points
95
P*rotel D/X/P

Anyone have DXP with SP@ C*R*A*C**K?
 

toad_th

Member level 1
Joined
Dec 10, 2001
Messages
41
Helped
0
Reputation
0
Reaction score
0
Trophy points
1,286
Activity points
259
Re: P*rotel D/X/P

Thiago said:
Anyone have DXP with SP@ C*R*A*C**K?
:p
James enforces general forum rules here:
http://www.elektroda.pl/eboard/viewtopic.php?t=29287

Besides, this is Altium product, the cracks and and SN for Altium is forbidden here.

If someone posts cracks or SN here, he will get warning even banned.

We play the game, we follow the rules.

However, it is said currently Altium provides a pretty good discount to educational users, $100 per license seat ( minimum 20 seats purchase needed), and this is lifetime license(no annual renewing needed). It is a good deal because the original price is $7999 per seat. So if you are in some school and you really need it for your research, ask your boss to buy it.
 

Status
Not open for further replies.

Part and Inventory Search

Welcome to EDABoard.com

Sponsor

Top