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BENOIT

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all-07 programmer

Hello,
I am looking for adapters diagrams for the ALL03, or ALL03A or ALL07
programmers from Hilo Systems.
especially I am looking for the diagram /pinout of the adapter to
realize to program a MC68705P3 : the adapter is 32pin.
the MC68705P3 28 pin and between ...?
any resource I have is at http://matthieu.benoit.free.fr/120.htm
and http://matthieu.benoit.free.fr/all03/source.htm

I wonder if there would be a way to retrieve the diagrams of the
adapters by disassembling the adapters programs files.
as available at http://matthieu.benoit.free.fr/all03/adp/ for the
all03 . These files are compacted with PKLITE. Then after you
can get a exe file that you can disassemble with SOURCER7.
noticed that ALL03 and ALL07 files are very alike (just change the
connection of the programmer which is parallel port instead with
SAC-201 board), so any adapters for the ALL07 should work on the
ALL03.

on the other hand I have the diagrams of the EXPRO60 / and
also EXPRO80 programmer which are very same architecture than
the ALL03.
any contributions appreciated,
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all-07 programmer software

Hello

I have an old All-04A (4 sockets gang) programmer, that uses the same SAC-201A ISA interface card.

Do you know if the software for All-03/A works on All-04A, too ?

I cannot remember if All-03 is the single socket version of my programmer.

Cheers

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all 07 programmer

Yes the all03 has only one socket,
may be it use the same software "PC-Based" and in the software
you may select Gang programming. but I am not sure.
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Hello

I have an old All-04A (4 sockets gang) programmer, that uses the same SAC-201A ISA interface card.

Do you know if the software for All-03/A works on All-04A, too ?

I cannot remember if All-03 is the single socket version of my programmer.

Cheers

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hilo all-07

I did some search and even on the hi lo systems website my programmer is reported between discontinued products...

It's a real pity to abandon it... it has all the resources needed to program any newer device, because all the programming algorithms are in the host software.

May be with a little of effort it could be supported by a "generic" software, like IcProg !

What do you think ?


Anyway, about your question, I don't know anything regarding your chip, but usually with HILO programmers the devices with fewer pins than those in the socket go in the socket "bottom justified".

Did you try in this way ?

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all-07 adapter

What do you mean "bottom justified" :
for example the MC68705P3 is a 28 pin device . The ADP-68705/P3
is said to be a 32 pin adapter : my question how did hilo to choose
the correspondance ?
for reference could you send me by email the software of the all04
so I can update my resources page?
note that a new software has been developpent by Fabio Sturman
with sources in C and ASM to support to newer microcontrollers and
that this software can be upgrade to support more new components,
Also there is a german people that is working in a Win32 software for
the all03 also to support new components.
see http://matthieu.benoit.free.fr/all03/source.htm
any data or example of adaptors could give hints for me about
that, but those adapters are very expansive from hilo;
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picman2 said:
I did some search and even on the hi lo systems website my programmer is reported between discontinued products...

It's a real pity to abandon it... it has all the resources needed to program any newer device, because all the programming algorithms are in the host software.

May be with a little of effort it could be supported by a "generic" software, like IcProg !

What do you think ?


Anyway, about your question, I don't know anything regarding your chip, but usually with HILO programmers the devices with fewer pins than those in the socket go in the socket "bottom justified".

Did you try in this way ?

PicMan2
 

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sac-201

One contribution: here you find the adapter to program any 8 pin
Microchip Microcontroller with a ALL03 or ALL07 programmer.
name A the socket you'll insert into the ALL03 / ALL07 DIL40 zif socket,
name B the socket you'll put the pic12c50x into

You have to wire:
A pin1 -> B pin4
A pin2 NC
A pin3 NC
A pin4 -> B pin8
A pin5 NC
A pin6 -> B pin6 (coincident)
A pin7 -> B pin7 (coincident)
A pin8 -> B pin1

If the wiring is correct, when you insert the A socket into the zif you
can verify that:
ZIF pin17 -> PIC pin4 ZIF pin24 -> PIC pin1
ZIF pin18 NC ZIF pin23 -> PIC pin7
ZIF pin19 NC ZIF pin22 -> PIC pin6
ZIF pin20 -> PIC pin8 ZIF pin21 NC


I really wonder the way to discover how to build other adapters
The adapter files are compacted with PKlite then can be
disassembled with SOURCER7.
I am sure that with all the information I have put on
http://matthieu.benoit.free.fr/all03/source.htm
there would be a way to guess diagrams of adapters for these
programmers.
Any help or advises appreciated.
A+
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hilo all07

I have just tried every software available on your page on my EPP-04A programmer from Hi Lo systems and no one works, as I expected.

The programmer is a 4-gang programmer equipped with 4 x 32 pin ZIFs, using an ISA card similar, if not identical, to SAC201

Do you know if any newer software or info is available for this programmer ?

Ciao
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adp-68705

You should try the software available at this Site:
http://www.danbbs.dk/~rmadrm/sunshine.htm

especially perhaps this one :
http://www.danbbs.dk/~rmadrm/eprom.htm#pep which uses
a ISA Card
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picman2 said:
I have just tried every software available on your page on my EPP-04A programmer from Hi Lo systems and no one works, as I expected.

The programmer is a 4-gang programmer equipped with 4 x 32 pin ZIFs, using an ISA card similar, if not identical, to SAC201

Do you know if any newer software or info is available for this programmer ?

Ciao
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hi-lo system all-03 software

Hi,
I have an ALL03A but haven't any adapters :( - I'm looking for information or schematic to am29lv800b adapter,
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all-07 hi-lo

picman

check this link

http://www.danbbs.dk/~rmadrm/eprom.htm#pep

i think you'll find your programmer and the software there .

The hep808 soft works for my hilo sep-88 programmer .
I think yours will be pep04 or hep804 .

I absolutely HATE hilo for deleting every piece of software
for those old programmers .
Don't bother contacting them or their dealers , they won't help
you . They'll just tell you to buy a new unit .
been there done that


Good luck

Mitsuko
 

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Hi the diagram of the adapter ADP-68705

ADP-68705 adapter for Hilosystem ALL-03 / ALL-07 universal devices programmer to program MC68705P3/R3/U3 Motorola microcontrollers

is given on the resources page :

Universal Programmer ALL-03 Hilosystems

If you have any more resources concerning these eprom programmer do not hesitate to contribute to this resources page
 

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Hi,

I can get a second-hand EPP-04A from Hi-Lo right here. However I only need it to burn 2708 EPROMs.
The seller doesn't want to be contacted so I'm afraid I know zip:

* no manuals?
* no software?
* does this device need an internal PC card? (I'd say yes considering the above posts but the adapter on the pictures suggest an RS-232 version).
* does it actually burn a 2708 ;)

I hope someone can help me out!
 

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Hi
I don't think it could support 2708 eprom : even the ALL-03, ALL-07 do not support 2708 eprom
I think that it needs an interface card because power cannot be given with a serial or parallel port connexion. I think an ISA interface card is needed
I have not the software of this programmer
I thinkyou should need better buy a second hand DATAIO programmer like
DATAIO 22 http://matthieu.benoit.free.fr/dataio/dataio22/DataIO series 22 devicelist.txt
which supports 2708 ; few other Dataio programmer should support 2708
see http://matthieu.benoit.free.fr/DATAIO22_programmer_resources.htm
Matthieu
Hi,

I can get a second-hand EPP-04A from Hi-Lo right here. However I only need it to burn 2708 EPROMs.
The seller doesn't want to be contacted so I'm afraid I know zip:

* no manuals?
* no software?
* does this device need an internal PC card? (I'd say yes considering the above posts but the adapter on the pictures suggest an RS-232 version).
* does it actually burn a 2708 ;)

I hope someone can help me out!
 

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Hi
I don't think it could support 2708 eprom : even the ALL-03, ALL-07 do not support 2708 eprom
Thanks for the info.

I think that it needs an interface card because power cannot be given with a serial or parallel port connexion.
I'm guessing you can, with a step-up DC/DC converter. But I'm not an expert.

I think you should need better buy a second hand DATAIO programmer like
DATAIO 22 http://matthieu.benoit.free.fr/dataio/dataio22/DataIO series 22 devicelist.txt
Thanks for the tip ;-) Unfortunately they seem to be rather rare.

Another option would be to develop an adapter board for the Willem Programmer (I happen to have one: PCB4 v6.1).
Unfortunately I'm not experienced enough to develop one myself. But it would make for a nice enthousiast project ;-)

Diederik.
 

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