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Ground loop concerns - interfacing signals from TTl to TTL

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ttl interface

Hi,

I am planning to interface signals from one TTL device to another TTl device, but they are on seperate power supplies. I need to know if I need to worry about ground/isolating anything or if I need to use anything to connect them to avoid potential problems.

Please let me know if more details are needed.
 

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Ground loop concerns?

Go ahead, start worrying when problem pops in. there is going to be connection between the two circuits. In the event of trouble first attend to the connecting ground lead as you suspect.
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Re: Ground loop concerns?

A lot depends on how far apart the two circuits are. If they are only 1 foot apart, why not connect the grounds of the two power supplies together? And make sure you are using heavy gauge wire for each of the pcb-to-power supply connection. You want less than 0.1 V drop along that wire.

A lot of power supplies have 3 terminals on their outputs: + out, - out, and "earth ground". If the - out is your ground potential, sometimes you want to connect it also to the power supply's "earth ground", and sometimes you do not!

If the two circuits are 15 feet away, in different equipment racks, you could easiliy have a 5 volt difference in ground voltages (some combination of AC and DC offset). That is enough to blow out a digital circuit, or at lest compromise its noise immunity.

This IS a fairly common problem, and it is solved by using "line drivers" and "line receivers" that send the digital signals via a shielded twisted pair that is not referenced to board ground. Other methods include opto-isolators for slow signals, or fiberoptic digital connection for very high speed signals.
 

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Re: Ground loop concerns?

Yes, worry for sure.

Common grounds can help if distances are short, but the notion that there is something out there called "equi-potential ground" is an academic fantasy.

A really good solution is to use a simple optical isolator chip at the receiving end. Look at a 6N137. Logic in, logic out, ground problems solved. Use twisted, shielded pair for the interconnect.
 

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