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    Phase Noise Requirement in OFDM System!

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    In OFDM system, it is strick for the phase noise requirement of LO. But how to dicide or calculate the phase noise to satisfy the OFDM system C/N requirement? Thanks!

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    Re: Phase Noise Requirement in OFDM System!

    Integrate the phase noise over frequency from your LO from a lower frequency to the receive bandwidth. The lower frequency depend how you frequency/phase correction for each symbol is operating. If frequency correction is done based on pilots and the S/N is high you can assume lower frequency shaping from a time discrete single pole highpass.



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    Re: Phase Noise Requirement in OFDM System!

    RFSYSTEM,

    One very easy and clean expalnation starting from natural noise which is -174 dBm/SQR Hz

    For 1 Mhz bandwith is -174+10 log B=-114dBm minimum bandwith for 8 MHz bandwith OFDM TV is 10 MHz it is +10 dB which will give -104 dBm. for good receiving we have to S/N=12 dB + F(dB) of receiver .it is around -104+12+1=-91dbm that mean that we need spectral denasity of noise better than 90 dBc/sqr Hz to not see oscillator influence.We have in OFDM 6k carriers that mean that this noise have to be 1kHz from carrier.

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    Re: Phase Noise Requirement in OFDM System!

    The phase noise affects the performance of OFDM in a non-linear manner. You should model the phase noise model and get the BER v.s variance of noise phase.



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    Re: Phase Noise Requirement in OFDM System!

    Hi all,

    Are there some literatures on this topic?

    Thanks!
    Dopradar

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    Quote Originally Posted by xtasa
    RFSYSTEM,

    One very easy and clean expalnation starting from natural noise which is -174 dBm/SQR Hz

    For 1 Mhz bandwith is -174+10 log B=-114dBm minimum bandwith for 8 MHz bandwith OFDM TV is 10 MHz it is +10 dB which will give -104 dBm. for good receiving we have to S/N=12 dB + F(dB) of receiver .it is around -104+12+1=-91dbm that mean that we need spectral denasity of noise better than 90 dBc/sqr Hz to not see oscillator influence.We have in OFDM 6k carriers that mean that this noise have to be 1kHz from carrier.

    GL XTASA
    Hi GL XTASA,

    Your analysis seems to calculate sensitivity of receiver. could you explain more about the following questions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xtasa
    it is around -104+12+1=-91dbm that mean that we need spectral denasity of noise better than 90 dBc/sqr Hz to not see oscillator influence
    How to deduce the relation of sensitivity and oscillator influence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xtasa
    We have in OFDM 6k carriers that mean that this noise have to be 1kHz from carrier
    Why?

    Thanks a lot!
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    Re: Phase Noise Requirement in OFDM System!

    Dear Dopradar,

    You can find a lot of literature with a lot of mathematics to explain nature of problem you interested. My explanation is going from simple fact that you have demodulate/MIX signal than we have multiplying two signals (for beginning ideal source and non ideal carrier)and results is worse than one of each other of sources. Or other way they will carry worst noise spectral density. ODFM carriers are orthogonal and main spectral power is close to the carrier that mean that you must have very low noise carrier because you can't detect any signal correct.
    Naturally this is nonlinear process but this is simple approximation to quick!!

    GL XTASA



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    Re: Phase Noise Requirement in OFDM System!

    Search EBU technical review(www.ebu.ch). You may find good papers in this regard



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