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24th November 2019, 13:49 #1
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Implementation of sine cosine using LUT
I was referring to link https://in.mathworks.com/help/simulink/slref/sine.html that describes the generation of sine through LUT exploiting quarter wave symmetry. I wanted to understand the concept and also how it is different from Cordic?. Matlab always recommends LUT based sine/cos over cordic for fixed point implementation. Why is so?

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Re: Implementation of sine cosine using LUT
CORDIC is an algorithm for performing calculations. A LUT is simply that, a lookup table: phase in, amplitude out. The CORDIC implementation takes several cycles to produce an output; a LUT produces an output in a single cycle. I suspect MATLAB recommends a LUT based approach because it’s faster.

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Re: Implementation of sine cosine using LUT
Hi barry
I checked matlab and they implement LUT with interpolation. Can you educate me on this?

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Re: Implementation of sine cosine using LUT
We can generate a lookup table of sines from 0 to 45 degrees by starting with .7071 (sine of 45 deg), and taking equal proportions.
Thus for 1 degree we take one 45th of .7071. This gives us .0157 which is 10 percent off from the true value (.017). Error increases below 1 degree.
Values for the entire 360 degree circle are generated in like manner, by taking proportion of distance from 45 or 135 or 225 or 315.
Doubtless Matlab and Cordic generate their LUT based on a larger number of accurate reference points.

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Re: Implementation of sine cosine using LUT
You’ll have to read the Matlab documentation.But, if I had to guess, I would assume they simplify take two adjacent points from the LUT and interpolate between them.

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Re: Implementation of sine cosine using LUT
In Matlab, the number of points for LUT is 32 only. How do they get the precision?

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Re: Implementation of sine cosine using LUT
Symmetry  32 points in 45 degrees means (360/45)*32 = 256 points in total. An average of a little over 1 degree per point but also a convenient LUT size for software/hardware to use.
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Re: Implementation of sine cosine using LUT
We can generate a lookup table of sines from 0 to 45 degrees by starting with .7071 (sine of 45 deg), and taking equal proportions.
In good old days, we had books that had many kind of tables: log, trigonometric functions, statistical values and many had random numbers. They are the original look up tables.
The series expansion formula for sin(x) = x  x^3/3! + x^5/5!  x^7/7! + ...
If you take first three terms, you can get better accuracy ...

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Re: Implementation of sine cosine using LUT
Hi,
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Symmetry  32 points in 45 degrees means (360/45)*32 = 256 points in total.
@gary36:
How do they get the precision?
Sure you mean "precision"? Or do you ask about "resolution"?
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Re: Implementation of sine cosine using LUT
I know the "quarter wave" LUT implementation.... but quarter wave means 4 x 90°. How does the 45° table work?
Interpolation error with 32 point table is already very small. There's no application mentioned in this thread, thus the requirements are unknown.
Series expansion is another possible method, but involving higher calculation effort. LUT with or even without interpolation is most suitable for a large range of microcontroller and programmable logic applications.

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Re: Implementation of sine cosine using LUT
You are quite right to correct me FvM  put my mistakes down to old age.
They say your memory goes first ...... and I can't remember what comes second.
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Re: Implementation of sine cosine using LUT
How does the 45° table work?
For 90 >x >45, we use the formula
sin(90x)=cos(x)=sqrt(1sin^2(x))
Actually the sinus and cosinus tables are the same (one table does both the work).
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Re: Implementation of sine cosine using LUT
For angle less than 42 degrees from horizontal, multiply by ∏/180 to get sine within 10 percent error.
Thus 30 degrees x ∏/180 = .5236. Correct value is .5.

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Re: Implementation of sine cosine using LUT
For angle less than 42 degrees from horizontal, multiply by ∏/180 to get sine within 10 percent error.
As sin(x) is always within +/1, 10% accuracy means only one decimal significant digit. For most purposes, this will be insufficient.
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Just two terms, you get a much better result: with three terms, you can see the significant improvement:
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Re: Implementation of sine cosine using LUT
Using trigonometric identities.
For 90 >x >45, we use the formula
sin(90x)=cos(x)=sqrt(1sin^2(x))
Actually the sinus and cosinus tables are the same (one table does both the work).

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Re: Implementation of sine cosine using LUT
Surely possible but rarely reasonable, neither for µC nor programmable logic implementation.
If you are using a 8bit interger, 1 to +1 need to be mapped into 0 to 255.You will perhaps get an accuracy of 1% or better.
If you are using quarter wave, (i.e., 0 to 90 deg), you can perhaps use a table of 16 or 32 values. With a size of 32 values, your each angle will have a resolution of 90/32 (say about 3 degree).
For intermediate values, a simple linear interpolation will be sufficiently accurate; this is the most common practice.
For greater accuracy, you need to have 16 bit interger calculations and have 64 or 128 size table. But that depends on the application.
Once the table is programmed into the microprocessor, there will be no additional computational burden involved (perhaps excepting some small interpolations).
These are essentially academic discussions because the table has to be made externally only once and there are standard routines available for these trigonometric functions.
For noncritical work, a simple table of 16 (array of size 16 of unsigned bytes) may be more than sufficient.
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