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    915Mhz Antenna design

    Hello all,
    I have a communication system based on a 915MHz carrier wave.
    The communication is for less than 1 meter.

    No need for PA in the system.
    What are the options for the antenna in the circuit
    10 simple wire soldered to the PCB transceiver (wire - 50 ohm)
    2) Chip antenna
    3) PCB antenna (wires routed in the PCB)

    I want to use the first option - simple wire.
    Can you tell me what would be the difference in the quality of the transmitted signal if I use wire instead of a chip antenna or PCB antenna?

    Thanks

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    Re: 915Mhz Antenna design

    Not sure what you mean with "wire - 50 ohm"? A λ/4 monopole has a length of 82 mm at 915 MHz and near to 50 ohm real input impedance (with sufficient ground plane), matches a 50 ohm transceiver output directly and makes an effective antenna, a shorter wire antenna need a matching network and is generally less effective.

    Chips and electrical small (< λ/4) PCB antennas are generally more sensitive to detuning by hand effect and typically a bit less efficient.

    1m range will be usually spanned without any antenna, just due to antenna effect of a not perfectly shielded transceiver circuit. Any small wire or "PCB antenna" attached to the RF port will further increase the range.



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    Re: 915Mhz Antenna design

    This is real sinful truth. I've seen many situations when a simple wire works better than an antenna developed by an "army" of antenna engineers.
    So, as was already stated, a wire antenna it will work fine, but for sure is not a very "professional" option.
    In your situation, to get reliable and consistent result, I would go for an Inverted-L or an Inverted-F PCB antenna. Beware that you need a proper ground plane for this type of antennas (actually the same as you need if use a simple wire antenna).


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    Re: 915Mhz Antenna design

    Quote Originally Posted by amirke View Post
    Hello all,
    I have a communication system based on a 915MHz carrier wave.
    The communication is for less than 1 meter.

    No need for PA in the system.
    What are the options for the antenna in the circuit
    10 simple wire soldered to the PCB transceiver (wire - 50 ohm)
    2) Chip antenna
    3) PCB antenna (wires routed in the PCB)

    I want to use the first option - simple wire.
    Can you tell me what would be the difference in the quality of the transmitted signal if I use wire instead of a chip antenna or PCB antenna?

    Thanks

    You say it is for transmission for 1 metre or less so there is no need for anything complex. A wire or a track on a PCB would be all that is required


    Dave


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    Re: 915Mhz Antenna design

    Thank you, guys.
    This is enlighting.

    The reason I am asking of a wire-based antenna is that of placement issues.
    I have a minimal PCB design, and thus I want the antenna will be placed out of the PCB.

    So, the conclusion - an 82mm length wire Will do the job?
    Is a specific wire is recommended for used as an antenna?
    What is the effect of the shape of the wire (straight, curled)?



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    Re: 915Mhz Antenna design

    82 mm assumes a straight wire. However as stated by Davenn and myself, it's not actually necessary for 1 m range.


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    Re: 915Mhz Antenna design

    How do I take into consideration wire length, if it is not straight? (in case of long-distance transmission)

    What are the possible damages in case of not using an antenna at all (or not fitted antenna - longer/shorter)



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    Re: 915Mhz Antenna design

    Quote Originally Posted by FvM View Post
    82 mm assumes a straight wire.
    ... at 90° angle from the ground plane. And the ground plane must be large (much larger than the wire). In many cases, both assumptions are violated and EM simulation is needed for really good antenna efficiency.

    However in this case, you seem to have a lot of margin in received power, so you can try the straight wire. At the usual power levels (1mW) there is no damage to devices if the antenna is mismatched.


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    Re: 915Mhz Antenna design

    If I were you ,I would use a simple and cheap 915 MHz di-electric SMD antenna.They don't occupy too much space..
    https://www.digikey.com/product-deta...5-1-ND/2392134

    Cheaper than simple copper rod..



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    Re: 915Mhz Antenna design

    Thanks for the assitance



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    Re: 915Mhz Antenna design

    Quote Originally Posted by BigBoss View Post
    If I were you ,I would use a simple and cheap 915 MHz di-electric SMD antenna.They don't occupy too much space..
    https://www.digikey.com/product-deta...5-1-ND/2392134

    Cheaper than simple copper rod..
    It's not that simple. The trick with these small "antennas" is that they require a very well defined large ground, and depend on that ground. Changes to the ground size will detune the antenna.



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    Re: 915Mhz Antenna design

    Quote Originally Posted by volker@muehlhaus View Post
    It's not that simple. The trick with these small "antennas" is that they require a very well defined large ground, and depend on that ground. Changes to the ground size will detune the antenna.
    What is the amount of ground needed?
    the rectangle around the chip?
    On 1 layer? 2 layers? more

    Is there any thumb rules for placing the chip antenna?



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    Re: 915Mhz Antenna design

    Large means large, e.g. > λ.

    That's a principle statement about monopole antenna operation, you can review antenna theory text books to understand how it's substantiated. Most real mobile transmitters don't fulfill the condition, thus the actual antenna impedance is different from the theoretical value and has to be considered in the matching network design.

    However, as mentioned several times, the discussion is completely irrelevant for your 1 m link. Anything goes in this case.


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    Re: 915Mhz Antenna design

    Quote Originally Posted by volker@muehlhaus View Post
    It's not that simple. The trick with these small "antennas" is that they require a very well defined large ground, and depend on that ground. Changes to the ground size will detune the antenna.
    The occupied area is just roughly 10mmx20mm, so it's not critical thought.


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    Re: 915Mhz Antenna design

    Quote Originally Posted by BigBoss View Post
    The occupied area is just roughly 10mmx20mm, so it's not critical thought.
    What do you mean by "occupied area"? I refer to the required ground plane size for such devices (much larger than device size), not to the device size. From my epxerience in designing miniaturized 915MHz antennas, you always co-design these antennas for a given ground plane size. 10mm x 20mm total sounds a bit small to me.



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    Re: 915Mhz Antenna design

    chip if you have little room,
    printed ONLY if you have plenty of board room.
    Due to the close proximity, you could easily detune the printed style antenna with object proximity. The chips, being very high dielectric constant material, are more immune to proximity detuning.



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    Re: 915Mhz Antenna design

    Quote Originally Posted by volker@muehlhaus View Post
    What do you mean by "occupied area"? I refer to the required ground plane size for such devices (much larger than device size), not to the device size. From my epxerience in designing miniaturized 915MHz antennas, you always co-design these antennas for a given ground plane size. 10mm x 20mm total sounds a bit small to me.
    Application of this antenna has been well illustrated here..
    https://www.mouser.com.tr/datasheet/...026-242364.pdf



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    Re: 915Mhz Antenna design

    Quote Originally Posted by BigBoss View Post
    Application of this antenna has been well illustrated here..
    https://www.mouser.com.tr/datasheet/...026-242364.pdf
    Thanks, that's what I was looking for. This shows exactly the issue that I mentioned: the device is small, but its performance depends on that large PCB ground for a total size of 20mm x 49.5mm. You cannot use that small device to build a small PCB.

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    Re: 915Mhz Antenna design

    the device is small, but its performance depends on that large PCB ground for a total size of 20mm x 49.5mm. You cannot use that small device to build a small PCB.
    All monopole antenna designs involving a small ground plane can be better analysed as asymmetrical dipoles. The actual impedance depends on the geometry of both parts. That's obviously also true for the suggested ceramic antenna, the manufacturer requires a specific ground plane shape to achieve 50 ohm impedance. A different shape gives a different impedance and thus requires a matching network for optimal performance.



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