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[ADS] S-parameters plot in ADS via S1p file??

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I am trying to verify my s-parameters results in ADS. I have exported Touchstone(s1p) file from CST MWS into ADS. The circuit in ADS is shown below. The results produced by ADS is also displayed, which are incorrect.

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I am unable to generate the required s-parameters results.
Can someone please let me know if I am doing anything wrong here.
 

It will work much better if you connect ground elements at both Term (-) terminals 8-O
 
In addition to the missing ground, as Volker mentions, if the s-parameter file you are using is 1 port data (S1P) then you should not be performing a two port simulation. You only need one Term, connected to pin 1 of the S1P element. The other pin on the S1P is the reference pin and that should be grounded. Then the S11 measurement should reflect the data in the file.
 
Thankyou @volker and @Real, for the quick response.
The results generated are now somewhat acceptable.

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It should be like fig 1 but Im getting results like fig 2...Any ideas??
Fig.1 [CST S-parameters]
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Fig.2 [ADS s-parameters]
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@volker..Thnx..
I adjusted the Number of points as per my frequ and now I am getting the correct results.
 

One more questions about introducing coupler into the same design..
I would like to know the effect of s1p file when passed thorough a 3dB coupler working at 925 MHz frequency.
The circuit is shown below with relevant results...Is the structure correct??

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kela3kela said:
I would like to know the effect of s1p file when passed thorough a 3dB coupler working at 925 MHz frequency. The circuit is shown below with relevant results...Is the structure correct??
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No, this setup is wrong.

You need to use the S1P file as a termination (gnd node connected to gnd), not as a series element. This means your testbench will have only 3 ports: source port, reflection port and isolation port.
 

Thankyou for the correction.
I am following a paper where they have used a 3 pin coupler with a power source and a s1p file. The Connections of coupler to/from are described as following;
" Pin 3 of coupler is attached to the one pin of s1p, another pin of s1p is grounded. Pin 1 of coupler is connected to a port (P_1Tone). Pin 2 of coupler is connected to impedance match network".

From the above description I have made the following ADS circuit having results as shown. AM I correct with this design?? i mean what about the 4-pin??Does ADS has a 3 pin coupler or I need to make one?

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No, again this is not correct.

You can never have a Term on the reference pin of the S1P element. It should always be grounded in this sort of application. An S1P data file represents one port data. It is a measure of the impedance or reflection coefficient, however you can think of it most easily, of a complete circuit, including any termination connected to it at the remote end of the circuit, as presented at that single input/output pin. It can never be treated as a through connection, only a load or termination as stated by Volker above. Even the circuit you describe states that "another pin of s1p is grounded" so that is what you should do.
 

Ok. Thank you for the clarification. I redid the design as shown below. Hopefully its correct this time. Are the results OK?? for 925 MHz

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