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16th June 2014, 10:14 #1
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Best way to build a voltage controlled current source
Hello everyone
I have a voltage source from 4mV to 5V and I require an output of 100uA to 100mA over 100hz to 100kHz. It goes without sayint, it needs to be independant of the load still range would be (1k to 100k ohms)
Ive tried the regular op amp, quad opamps in cascade with bjt's. I am unable to get a full swing output current waveform at the same frequency.
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Re: Best way to build a voltage controlled current source
To deliver 100mA into 100Kohm you need 10000volts and an output power of 1000 watts.
That is RMS so for a sinusoidal signal you need 14000volts peak, positive and negative.
Even 100mA into 1Kohm needs 100volts rms, 140v peak
Give a realistic specification for output current and load impedance.
Lower maximum current, lower load impedance or both.
Is your load only resistive, not significantly capacitve or inductive?

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Re: Best way to build a voltage controlled current source
What is your load capacitance? This could be your problem. Can you measure it?
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Re: Best way to build a voltage controlled current source
Unipolar or bipolar current? Output voltage range? 1k*100mA would already require 100 V.
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What is your load capacitance? This could be your problem. Can you measure it?

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Re: Best way to build a voltage controlled current source
Its suppose to be a mostly general purpose current source, assuming a mostly resistive load. 4mV needs to give an output current of 100uA and 5V a current of 100mA. It should typically be independant of the load resistance. But I dont see any way of making that possible?

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Re: Best way to build a voltage controlled current source
I've found a circuit that works but it doesnt work well for for above 1k Hz, the current amplitude falls.
To implement the current source with a single OP, you need considerable excess OP bandwidth, e.g. 100 MHz. The circuit behaviour is also degraded by the 2 MOhm resistors and respective pole with OP input capacitance. Instead you'll use low kOhm range and correct the resistance ratio for R5 effect. See appended paper how to calculate.
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Re: Best way to build a voltage controlled current source
?Which simulator is that Crutschow?

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Re: Best way to build a voltage controlled current source
Here's the .asc file if you want to run my simulation in LTspice. Just remove the .txt extension to run the file.
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Re: Best way to build a voltage controlled current source
If you measure the output impedance of the circuit with LT1497 current mode OP, you'll see a rather low output impedance around 2 kohm, which is almost frequency independent. As far as I understand, both the limited OP open loop gain and low input impedance of ve input are responsible for the effect.
Although I appreciate the advantages of current mode OPs for fast circuits, I fear it's not particularly suited for this circuit if you want a high current source output impedance.

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Re: Best way to build a voltage controlled current source
Output impedance is largely a factor of ratio tolerances due to the differential feedback. Negative feedback requires a small capacitance to compensate for stray positive feedback loop capacitance.
TI did a recent analysis of the Howland here.
http://www.ti.com/litv/pdf/snoa474a
an even better description here with FET buffer
http://www.ti.com/lit/an/sboa046/sboa046.pdfLast edited by SunnySkyguy; 1st July 2014 at 23:02.
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Re: Best way to build a voltage controlled current source
Nothing is working. My load from 1k100k doesnt allow the current to be independant of it. I tried it with quite a few Opamps. At high frequencies (100kHz) I am getting a square wave. and the output current is heavily changing with the load. Ive only considered the load to be purely resistive. I added the capacitors across the feedback as well as the load. No success.
Ive tried all the circuits mentioned before, OPA846, LT1497. I cant figure by the current is getting clipped. or is it an issue of slew rate?
Im fairly average at this, and I know only the basics. Please bear with me. And thanks in advance.

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Re: Best way to build a voltage controlled current source
Nothing is working. My load from 1k100k doesnt allow the current to be independant of it.
The current sense resistor has been chosen for a current of 100 mA, but you also want to operate up to 100 k load. The trivial point is that the maximum output current can't be much higher than 100 µA with this load and 15V supply, but that's not necessarily a problem. Similarly the maximum load resistance for 100 mA can't be higher than about 100 ohm. But this could be reflected in an updated specification.
The critical point is the required amplifier gain. To achieve a loop gain of 10 (10% current error in a first order estimation), the amplifier needs a gain of 100000 respectively 10 GHz gainbandwitdh product for 100 kHz bandwidth.
Realistically, you'll design multiple current sources for a reduced current range and switch the outputs. It's still demanding for the intended frequency range.

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Re: Best way to build a voltage controlled current source
What is the voltage across the 100kΩ load at 100kHz? Obviously you can't get more peak voltage across the load then the power supply voltage.
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Re: Best way to build a voltage controlled current source
What is the voltage across the 100kΩ load at 100kHz? Obviously you can't get more peak voltage across the load then the power supply voltage.
In the the world of real circuits, it's rather unlikely that it does. Because it must realize an output impedance of 1 Megohm to drive the current with less than 10 % error.

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Re: Best way to build a voltage controlled current source
Yes, it would appear to be quite difficult to get a constant current source that's accurate over such a wide frequency, current, and load resistance range.
Anandi, Why is the range for those parameters so large? Can they be reduced?Zapper
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Re: Best way to build a voltage controlled current source
I have seen commercial devices that can deliver the same.
I guess an ideal current source is suppose to have an independancy to the load.
I could use amplification stages to amplify the initial voltage, but how can I increase the output impedance of the howland current source? LT6090 has pretty high power supply (+70V and 70V)
any suggestions?
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