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MOSFET IRF540 using as a switch

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I have used above circuit to start solenoid valve(24V and 1A) ON and OFF but when I have done for 6 solenoid valve its not working as my controller's pin get ON and OFF as per delay. so, what could be the problem. is the above circuit right or below circuit?

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you can use above topology. but for 1 amp load, you may change 1N4148 diode.
how much voltage given at controller pin.?
 

The diode may be OK but I would have used something like a 1N400x personally.
The most likely problem is that you are not fully driving the MOSFET. With some conduction it may be able to handle a single solenoid but with the extra current demanded by 6 of them it may not be coping. To allow it to pass enough current you need a voltage of at least 6.6V on the controller pin, somethng like 10V would be better.

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Something like 1N4001 prefer than 1N4148. set your mosfet driving at saturation region for this purpose.
 

dwcookiemonster said:
you can use above topology. but for 1 amp load, you may change 1N4148 diode.
how much voltage given at controller pin.?
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ok I am using 1N4007 and at controller pin output is 5V but I am not getting 5V exactly rather I am getting only 2V or 3V. again my solenoid valve not get ON that I don't know what's the problem. I am using above circuit.

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The diode may be OK but I would have used something like a 1N400x personally.
The most likely problem is that you are not fully driving the MOSFET. With some conduction it may be able to handle a single solenoid but with the extra current demanded by 6 of them it may not be coping. To allow it to pass enough current you need a voltage of at least 6.6V on the controller pin, somethng like 10V would be better.

Brian.
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how could I give more voltage at tht point with same controller(89C51). and again as per IRF540 Datasheet gate threshold voltage is only between 2V to 4V.

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dwcookiemonster said:
Something like 1N4001 prefer than 1N4148. set your mosfet driving at saturation region for this purpose.
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will you please elaborate that "set your mosfet driving at saturation region for this purpose".
 

You didn't yet mention 8051. It has open drain outputs with weak pull-ups instead of regular push-pull outputs. As a simple solution, you can place strong (e.g. 1k) pull-ups. If you also want safe reset behaviour, an inverting driver (like 74HC04) between 8051 and MOSFET is suggested.
 

jay_3189 said:
and again as per IRF540 Datasheet gate threshold voltage is only between 2V to 4V
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This is not good enough. Threshold voltage means it just starts to conduct at that gate voltage. This MOSFET does not fully turn on until 10v. You need a "logic level FET", like the Fairchild FQP30N06L. Plus you still need to get the gate drive up to 5v as FvM said.
 
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FvM said:
You didn't yet mention 8051. It has open drain outputs with weak pull-ups instead of regular push-pull outputs. As a simple solution, you can place strong (e.g. 1k) pull-ups. If you also want safe reset behaviour, an inverting driver (like 74HC04) between 8051 and MOSFET is suggested.
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is 8051 not have internal pull ups in port - 2? I have read it in at89c51 datasheet.
 

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is 8051 not have internal pull ups in port - 2? I have read it in at89c51 datasheet.
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You are pulling down with 11k. That forms a voltage divider with any internal pullups. Why Is R1= 10k? Are you worried about slow turnoff?
 

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You are pulling down with 11k. That forms a voltage divider with any internal pullups. Why Is R1= 10k? Are you worried about slow turnoff?
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yes for fast response I have kept 10k. but now I am thinking to keep it as 100kOhms.
 
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is 8051 not have internal pull ups in port - 2? I have read it in at89c51 datasheet.
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You should read the datasheet completely. Not only about existence of pull-up resistors, also the expectable resistance value. Then calculate.

Internal pull-ups can turn the MOSFET on, but only quite slowly.

There's by the way no reasonable function of the pull-down resistor at the gate. Instead of changing it to 100k, you can just omit it. During power-up and processor reset, the internal pull-up resistor will override the pull-down resistor and turn the MOSFET on. Placing an inverter is the only way to avoid this probably unwanted behaviour.
 
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FvM said:
You should read the datasheet completely. Not only about existence of pull-up resistors, also the expectable resistance value. Then calculate.

Internal pull-ups can turn the MOSFET on, but only quite slowly.

There's by the way no reasonable function of the pull-down resistor at the gate. Instead of changing it to 100k, you can just omit it. During power-up and processor reset, the internal pull-up resistor will override the pull-down resistor and turn the MOSFET on. Placing an inverter is the only way to avoid this probably unwanted behaviour.
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ok can i use 10k as pullup resistor?
could there any problem or damage with MOSFET or controller's pin if i will remove both 1k and 10k resistors?
what is the need for inverter ic (74HC04)?
 


could there any problem or damage with MOSFET or controller's pin if i will remove both 1k and 10k resistors?
what is the need for inverter ic (74HC04)?
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I would keep the series resistor.

If a short activation of solenoid valve during power-on isn't a problem you don't need an inverter.

if you are using atmel 8051 series microcontroller then you shuld isolate your microcontroller from solenoid using optocoupler.
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Why particularly?
 

ok thank you all as I solved problem by connecting 5V supply externally to my circuit and its working fine now.

but now problem is microcontroller will give only 2 to 3V output at all pin of port 2. so, how could I increase it to 5V. is pullup is right solution or other thing?
 

jay_3189 said:
ok thank you all as I solved problem by connecting 5V supply externally to my circuit and its working fine now.
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It may be working with one IRF540, but if you are designing for mass production, the IRF540 is not guaranteed to switch fully on at 5 volts of gate drive. You need a logic level FET.
 
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