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Need help to trace the voltage noise density with LTspice

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Hello all
Does anyone could help me to trace the voltage noise density of an op amp stage with LTspice ?

thanks a lot
 

I don't use LTspice but if you run a noise analysis you should then be able to probe devices to find their contribution to the output noise. That way you can track down the main noise generating components.

Keith.
 

Re: Need help to trace the voltage noise density with LTspic

Hello
here is the snap shot of the design stage and the noise ...
I don't see 1/f noise and the broadband noise. Do you have an idea ? I probably make a mistake on the spice command line.

regards

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Be careful about using zero for the input voltage - it will give erroneous results. I would suggest you use a small DC input voltage.

The real problem is that I don't think the LT1012 model doesn't model the noise correctly. Try changing the model to the AD743 and see what happens (you will need to change the biasing to ensure it is within the working range of the opamp). It should look more like what you expect, including 1/f noise.

You might find it easier to use a unity gain follower to avoid DC problems (leave off R2).

Keith.
 

Re: Need help to trace the voltage noise density with LTspic

Hello
Thanks for your help, I tried whith the AD742, it doesn't seem to be good (2.9nV/sqrt(Hz) @ 10kHz specified in the datasheet).
I'm not sure I use correctly the spice command...

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You cannot run the AD743 at only 0.5V above the negative rail. Try a 5V DC offset.

Keith.
 

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Re: Need help to trace the voltage noise density with LTspic

Hello
well you're right, the characteritic is better but not exactly the same into the datasheet for the same gain (=1).
I'm wondering if the simulation is relevant

what is your opinion ?

thanks a lot for your help

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PS : the noise is about 4nV/sqrt(Hz) with a shunt for the feedback.
 

You should remove the 1k resistor - it will be increasing the noise. Use a short circuit. It should then be pretty close to the data sheet, if not exactly the same values.

Keith.
 

Re: Need help to trace the voltage noise density with LTspic

Yes, as I mention you in the precedent post, the value is better but not the same as specified in the datasheet as you can see in the extract :

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in the high frequency region, the noise begin to rise @ 200kHz in the simulation and 20kHz for the spec... what's wrong in my simulation ?
 

My simulation gives 3.23nV/rt(Hz) at 10kHz. I think the other discrepancies are probably that the model isn't accurate. This is not uncommon. Some opamp models don't include noise at all. Some have huge amounts of noise (because they don't attempt to model noise correctly). Sometimes the header of the model will say which features of the opamp are accurately modelled.

Keith.
 

Re: Need help to trace the voltage noise density with LTspic

I have the same as yours : 3.23V/√Hz ... no explication for the difference in the high frequency region
 

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