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    compensation in folded cascode OPAMP

    Hi all
    Can anybody please help me in the compensation of Folded_cascode OPAMP.I am getting -48' PM.I want it to be 50 degrees

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    compensation in folded cascode OPAMP

    adjust your compensation capacitor value such that to cancel the second pole with zero.



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    compensation in folded cascode OPAMP

    Add your output cap



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    Re: compensation in folded cascode OPAMP

    Folded cascode is actually the OTA amplifier. So, there is only one dominant pole at the output node. The load capacitor itself behave as a compensation caps in the loop. Vary your capacitor until you achieved a sufficient phase margin.



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    compensation in folded cascode OPAMP

    increase your output cap since this is nothing but the dominant pole of your opamp, so moving it inward will decrease/increase gain of the opamp.


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    Re: compensation in folded cascode OPAMP

    I guess in your circuit, the bandwidth(UGF) is large, and load cap you set is small, you should decrease the input transistor's transconductance to, and
    reduce the parasitic cap in your folded point to put the nondominant pole higher.



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    Re: compensation in folded cascode OPAMP

    Something important, the number -45 might not be all that bad, it depends on your code. I once designed a circuit whose phase margin was 60, but the output from the simulator was -110 (I am not sure about the number though), check your code.



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    compensation in folded cascode OPAMP

    second pole limit you PM



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    Re: compensation in folded cascode OPAMP

    Yes: Folded cascode have dominat pole at the output because it is a voltage to current building block.

    But: The intermediate stage in the folded cascode create a secondary pole, sometimes called parasitic pole. It is made by the diffusion diode caps found at the current summing node and the gate-source cap of the final current source, the cascode device and the transconductance of that device.

    The trick: If the diffusion diodes are small in comparison to the gate-source cap of the cascode device you can make a technology match of the zero/pole compensation. Use a gate-oxide cap and a series resistance of a MOS equal to the cascode device. If you setup the equaltions for the second pole and the zero you will see the match. in practice you can cancel up to 20%. The second-pole/zero match is the factor which allows you to extend the phase margin in the presence of the process corners.

    Enjoy the space of creativity, design and analysis.



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    Re: compensation in folded cascode OPAMP

    Hello, rfsystem

    I am interested in your points. Can you give me more details or materials about your trick ? As I know, the 2nd pole is around gm(cascode)/Cgs(cascode).
    Usually, set the cascode devices smaller to get a good AC reponse.

    Thanks



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    Re: compensation in folded cascode OPAMP

    what can be done is putting a capacitor between the folding node and the output node. This will basically by the miller multiplication effect seperate the first two poles of the folded cascode topology.


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    compensation in folded cascode OPAMP

    1. increase output cap
    2. lower low impedence nodes R & C



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    Re: compensation in folded cascode OPAMP

    try and keep the w and l of the input MOS low.
    this will reduce the cap at the folding node and this move further away from origin.
    i tried this and obtained a PM of 90.



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    Re: compensation in folded cascode OPAMP

    look at the stage with the highest gain. put a capacitor in PARALLEL with it, so Miller effect will help you a bit.

    Cheers



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    Re: compensation in folded cascode OPAMP

    Quote Originally Posted by Arsenic View Post
    what can be done is putting a capacitor between the folding node and the output node. This will basically by the miller multiplication effect seperate the first two poles of the folded cascode topology.
    Arsenic I am interested in knowing more about your method of compensation .Could you show me how or refer to a certain reference.........
    thanks in advance



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    Re: compensation in folded cascode OPAMP

    Quote Originally Posted by Arsenic View Post
    what can be done is putting a capacitor between the folding node and the output node. This will basically by the miller multiplication effect seperate the first two poles of the folded cascode topology.
    hi arsenic I am interested in your method of compensation I even tried it it gave me a high PM but what I can't understand is that
    when I varied the value of this capacitance from 0.25p to 1p the value of the bw decreased only about 20hz and the phase margin increased to 80degrees
    so what is the explanation of this??



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    Re: compensation in folded cascode OPAMP

    This method cause miller multiplication is increased by the cascode transistor gain.



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    Re: compensation in folded cascode OPAMP

    Quote Originally Posted by leo_o2 View Post
    This method cause miller multiplication is increased by the cascode transistor gain.
    hi leo,
    Is there a reference where I can read more about it ?

    thanks in advance



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    Re: compensation in folded cascode OPAMP

    In fact, you can analyze it by yourself.
    Please derive small-signal transfer function for it.



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