Continue to Site

Welcome to EDAboard.com

Welcome to our site! EDAboard.com is an international Electronics Discussion Forum focused on EDA software, circuits, schematics, books, theory, papers, asic, pld, 8051, DSP, Network, RF, Analog Design, PCB, Service Manuals... and a whole lot more! To participate you need to register. Registration is free. Click here to register now.

Low Noise Amplifier output match

Status
Not open for further replies.

Circuits

Junior Member level 2
Joined
Apr 2, 2013
Messages
21
Helped
0
Reputation
0
Reaction score
0
Trophy points
1,281
Activity points
1,453
Hello all,

I am designing a Common source Cascode low noise amplifier. How do we match the circuit at the output to 50 ohms ?
As I understand , we use an inductive load to get rid of parasitic capacitance of the transistor. So, we are only left with the intrinsic resistance of the transistor. We can not use the matching network to match resistance to 50 ohms . we have to have reactive part to have matching network to match to 50 ohms.

Please help/advice.

Thank you
 

I am testing Common source Inductive degeneration LNA performance for low power dissipation. ( 200uA current from 1.2V). I am not designing it for particular application. Initially I used Load inductance with a blocking capacitor with the port at the output with a resistance of 2k ( assuming that LNA is going to feed the input of the mixer which will have very high resistance). I got the gain around 11dB. Then I realize that a stand alone LNA should be matched to 50 ohms. Lets say for a moment , I want my LNA to be narrow band. How should I design output matching network?
I guess my main question is that if I am using an inductance at the load which will resonate out the parasitic capacitance of the transistor then why do I need matching network ?

Please advice.

Thank you
 

I am sorry , I did not understand what you are suggesting. ( I am using BiCMOS , 120nm process, 2.4GHz frequency)

Thank you.
 

Last edited:
Center frequency is 2.4GHz . I guess , I did not understand your question. Are you asking about the impedance looking into the circuit after adding the matching network ? (or ) Are you asking about the inherent resistance of the circuit ?

Thank you.

- - - Updated - - -

I just found out my mistake. My output resistance of the amplifier is 9 ohms ( normalized to 50 ohms ). I just looked at the smith chart and realized that I can simply add an L match network to match it to 50 ohms. Am I correct?

Just confirming one last thing, to measure the output impedance of my LNA , do we use psp analysis ?
 

I think you are confusing your ownself and me also :p
the moment you insert an inductor to balance parasitic capacitance, you are actually inserting a "matching Network" (that is the answer of your question "why do I need matching network ?" )
next if it is narrow band then surely matching would be comparatively easy.
in order to design a matching network you have to have the values of impedances at its both ends, 50 ohm at one side and the impedance your transistor is offering on other side.
just insert these values in Smith chart simulator ( ADS has got one) and you can have your matching network automatically or either by designing/inserting your own values and components that can easily available practically, .
you can know your output impedance by S22 simulations, take the impedance at 2.4 GHz of your band and match it to 50 ohm.
 
Hi Smooth criminal,

Thank you very much for your reply. I think I follow the concept now.
As you just said " In order to design a matching network you have to have the values of impedances at its both ends, 50 ohm at one side and the impedance your transistor is offering on other side." Now which analysis is the best to measure the impedance that my circuit/transistor is offering ? Is it SP ( small signal ) or PSP ( large signal) and why ?

Thank you.
 

For this purpose as i said, S parameter analysis are done, S-parameter analysis assumes that all the network is linear thus it is a small signal analysis,
as far as Large signal analysis is concerned, it is used to study the nonlinear behavior of a circuit/ device and analyzing and creating a nonlinear response is very difficult, moreover we can solve our problems , simply with this small signal analysis so why to bother for trouble!!!
 

Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

Part and Inventory Search

Welcome to EDABoard.com

Sponsor

Back
Top