measure bandwidth in HFSS

Hi everyone

I designed a circular patch antenna using coax too feed it. I decided to measure its bandwidth using HFSS. so i used driven modal and plot the S11 curve. but the curve is really amazing! (i have attached it)

I have two questions:
1- is driven modal suitable to measure bandwidth
2- as i have understood we should use -10 db point to measure bandwidth. in fact the band between -10 db points is the bandwidth. am i right?

Thanks for helping me

hi
driven model suitable for antenna simulation
for Bandwidth we checked the antenna return loss less than -10 dB

ferdows said:

hi
driven model suitable for antenna simulation
for Bandwidth we checked the antenna return loss less than -10 dB

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thanks dear ferdows. but doesn't seem the curve which is attached wrong? (because it has sharp fluctuation.also in most frequencies s11 in 0db means that all the wave reflects!)

thanks

as you said u simulation a circular patch and this patch has less than 2% beamwidth at 3 GHz as i know so in your your simulation frequency it will be less than 2 % and so your simulation became too sharp and angular and it look first mode at less than 1 GHz

magsina said:

I have two questions:
1- is driven modal suitable to measure bandwidth

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Yes

magsina said:

2- as i have understood we should use -10 db point to measure bandwidth. in fact the band between -10 db points is the bandwidth. am i right?

Thanks for helping me

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Check the IEEE definition of bandwidth. I can't recall the exact wording, but basically the antenna's frequency response is that over which the antenna meets the critia you specify. So if you want to specify the 10 dB return loss points, then as long as you state that, you have defined the bandwidth. If you wanted it to define it as the freqency range over which you could apply 200 W of power without it melting, that would be ok. So you can basically define it how you want.

Personally, as a minimum, I'd like to see antennas frequency range being defined as that of which the gain is >= X dB and the return loss >= Y dB. But for many antennas, only the SWR/return loss is specified.

It's a fact of life, if you design an antenna for some freuquency (say 100 MHz), it is bound to have a very good return loss at some other freuqency well away. So any antenna will be "multi-band" to some extent if you only specify the return loss.

For many antennas sold commercially, I think the specifications are based on the "rand" button on someone's calculator. Many antennas don't meet the specs claimed of them.

thank you dear ferdows and dear debora! you really helped me