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23rd December 2005, 01:18 #1
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how to measure inductance
Can somebody tell which instruments are needed to measure the inductance and Q of a spiral inductor and active inductor? how to measure it?
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measuring inductance
you can use a network analyzer. You can determine the Q value from group delay obtained from the network analyzer.
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how to measure inductance of coil
Hi,
latest technology of Fluke Instruments (the Digital Multi Meter that is)
can measure capacitance, charges (in coulombs) and inductances
Hey, I use Fluke!
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inductor measurement
One of the easiest ways of measuring L is to build an LC oscillator with known capacitance, measure frequency and calculate the inductance from the common LCtank equation: ω=1/√LC > L=1/ω²C, where ω=2Πf ..
See circuit below ..
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23rd December 2005, 07:02 #5
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measure inductance of a coil
Q meter is mostly used for the measurement of inductance and Q of circuit

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24th December 2005, 00:10 #6
how to measure inductance of a coil
try this link
http://ironbark.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au/~rice/lc/

25th December 2005, 03:50 #7
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hi boy,
can u pls tell how to measure inductance and Q using network analyzer?
or send me some document about it?
Thanks.

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measuring inductance of a coil
You can build an easy microcontroller based L/C meter
here is it..
I hope it helped.
Ahmad
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inductance measurement method
Originally Posted by chunlee

28th December 2005, 22:16 #10
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how to measure inductor
VNA may measure L (and or C) but it's poorly accurate, especially on the Q determination.
Qmeter, when used in conjunction with Standard inductances is the most accurate instrument.
Qmeter give L, Q, SRF.

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Originally Posted by sergio mariotti
Because in RF region, inductances and capacitances are not flat responded and in my opinion an inductance or capacitance should be measured at the frequency of operation (or closer to )
But essentially, Q factor measurement equipments can not reach very high frequencies and their results are therefore not indicative.

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how to measure an inductor
hi everyone,
I'm intend to measure my inductor on wafer at frequency around 2.4GHz. So i think the VNA is suitable for me. Can someone pls briefly tell me the procedure to characterize the inductor? (spiral and active inductor)
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Originally Posted by BigBoss
The accuracy of VNA measurement is set mainly by Standards, that are usually very accurate jewels, and often the residual accuracy is of the order of +/0.02...0.05 (number! not dB). But, when you try to measure very reactive devices (i.e. near to the boundry of the Smith Chart) , a small uncertainty like +/0.02 , will became a large uncertainty on Q determination . I don't provide here the formulation, see Agilent AN95.
Qmeter has a different principle of operation. It read the resonant extravoltage.
But if the practical measurement needs are on wafer, there is no choices. Both VNA and onwafer Standards are required.
Answering chunlee, set the VNA to display a Smith Chart on the screen. If necessary set marker parameters to display R+jX. I know that is possible on Agilent 87xx and 8510. Q=X/R
Since the accuracy onwafer will be not very high, my suggestion is that the user should propagate the uncertainty equation to give an evaluation of the instrumental uncertainty.
Agilent provide a free and useful MS Excel speadsheet to evaluate uncertainty. look for "VNAUncert"

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measuring coil inductance
What is the best way for measuring the inductance of a small planar coil inductor (i.e. RFID tag) ?
Would it be OK to use the VNA method for this? i.e. connect both terminals of the coil to a 50 Ohm bnc connector and measure it that way?
OR
Is there a better suited method? i.e. involving a signal/function generator?
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Originally Posted by chunlee
Q=Im[Y(1,)]/Re[Y(1,1)]
L=Im[1/Y(1,1)]/ω
I am not sure whether there is difference between the calibration procedure of passive inductors and active inductors.
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Treat the inductance as a twoport network, and you can measure the s parameter,
and you can deduce the L from the S parameters.
Perhaps not accurate.

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Hi,
To measure the inductance of a coil is the following method reasonable?
1. Connect coil to DC voltage supply and measure the current
2. Calculate the DC resistance
3. Connect coil to an AC voltage suuply with known voltage and frequency, measure the current.
4. Calculate the Impedance
5. Calculate Inductive Reactance using results from steps 2 and 4.
6. Calculate the Inductance using the result from step 5.
Would this be accurate?
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Hi all,
I got a problem when redraw Sparameters after deembedding procedure.
I used ADS to redraw Smith chart of an on chip spiral inductor.
 1st, I used GSG probe tip to measure spiral (DUT) not very high frequency (50MHz > 10GHz). Here I got S_measured values.
 2nd, I measured inductor testfixture only (open standard). Here I got Sopen values.
Since I got the Sparameters data, I used ADS to convert S into Y data (S_measured ==> Y_measured & S_open ==> Y_open).
Then, took: Y_mo = Y_measured  Y_open
Finally, Y_mo data were reconverted into Sparameters and plotted in Smith chart.
But in here, the Smith chart was not as I expected.
Please take a look at 2 pictures following:
Is there any body give me an advice? I really appreciate any your help.
Thank in advanced! ^_^

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Can you connect the same to a connector directlyboth ends of the inductor and measure S11 to find L?

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The problem is lying at that you Ymo=Y_measY_Open, after that, the Y you got still include 50 ohm (system impedance) in series. That is why it looks so strange.
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