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HI!
My Nme is Riccardo i'm passionate for computer in general and electronic in general.

My question is how do they detect the design of the DIE chip on a processor like Intel or new generation AMD and their files inside the chip such as e.g. RTL files etc ...?.
With FPGA hardware you can discover the architecture of the chip. I would like to explore how the chip of a new generation Intel Intel AMD processor and avalon navigation CAD software is made.
Or it takes that famous tool that costs a lot of money to the ion beam focused on the FIB.
I would like to explore any chip in CAD GDSii or test design chips etc .... as a hobby and to study it is to analyze it.
What are the exact tools for all this?
Thanks and await answers.
 

Hi,

My question is how do they detect the design of the DIE chip on a processor like Intel or new generation AMD and their files inside the chip such as e.g. RTL files etc ...?.
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I'm confused.
Who is "they"?
What do you mean with "detect"?
What to you mean with "files inside"?

There are many sources in the internet explaining almost anything. I recommend to do an internet search at first.
Then go through a couple of them to find out which one suits you most.
Then there still may be questions. ... Ask them (more detailed) while referring to the chosen document.

Step by step, not all mixed.

Klaus
 
ricky89 said:
HI!
My Nme is Riccardo i'm passionate for computer in general and electronic in general.

My question is how do they detect the design of the DIE chip on a processor like Intel or new generation AMD and their files inside the chip such as e.g. RTL files etc ...?.
With FPGA hardware you can discover the architecture of the chip. I would like to explore how the chip of a new generation Intel Intel AMD processor and avalon navigation CAD software is made.
Or it takes that famous tool that costs a lot of money to the ion beam focused on the FIB.
I would like to explore any chip in CAD GDSii or test design chips etc .... as a hobby and to study it is to analyze it.
What are the exact tools for all this?
Thanks and await answers.
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Hello,

as far as I understood you correctly it is not possible. The sources of newest chips (for example processors) are not shared on public - this is major technological asset of company producing chips.
There is possible that some design sourcers are available in internet for older chips. Another consideration is knowledge needed to understand such sources.

Best Regards
 
Hi,

There are possibilities to perform reverse engineering on silicon dies (ASICs), but to some degree. You will not be able to see the RTL code of and ASIC because the RTL code has been transformed to transistors in the production process.

If it help, this article explains the inside of an FPGA: https://hardwarebee.com/whats-inside-an-fpga/

Hope it helps,
Alex.
 

There are possibilities to perform reverse engineering on silicon dies (ASICs), but to some degree.
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Yes we know that, and that's why engineers/researchers do not waste their time and effort on such reverse engineering tasks! Even if the netlist can be decoded after great efforts, it is impossible to deterime the functionality from it for today's multi-million gate ASICs. That is why it is easier to build an ASIC with similar functionality rather than "copying" the functionality of an existing ASIC.

I would like to explore any chip in CAD GDSii or test design chips etc .... as a hobby and to study it is to analyze it.
What are the exact tools for all this?
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Get an internship at the related department at Intel/AMD/Samsung/TI/etc.....
 
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Writing RTL is like a "front-end" task for ASIC related work. Doing the physical layout and then creating mask to manufacture it is a very different department with different skill set.

The RTL code does not say anything about how the design will be physically implemented. There was a time when circuits were design at the "physical" level i.e transistors themselves were drawn as they would appear on the final piece of silicon. We are way past that point now.
 

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