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13th February 2017, 23:42 #1
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[Moved]: How to simulate DC Nonlinear model?
Hi,
I have an equation that describes the linearity of my amplifier. and I want to make a plot based on the equation. How could I do that in ADS?
this the equation I have vo=a1+a2vi+a3vi^2, and I want to plot vo vs vi...
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Re: How to simulate DC Nonlinear model?
Can you create a lissajous figure? It's the natural choice.
Excellent for observing whether your amplifier introduces distortion.

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Re: How to simulate DC Nonlinear model?
It is very easy.
Use SDD(Symbolically Define Device) or VerilogA.
http://edadocs.software.keysight.com...efined+Devices
http://edadocs.software.keysight.com...he+SDD+and+UCM

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Re: How to simulate DC Nonlinear model?
Hopefully it's not too late to get back to you. Thank you for your help. The SDD example is really helpful.
I tried out the example, but it doesn't work as what I expect. Compression point, OIP2, and OIP3 do not match to my original amplifier.
I have the equations set up as follows.. K1, K2, and K3 are calculated base on gain, OIP2, and OIP3. Do I input anything wrong here?

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Nonlinear model of amplifier simulation using SDD
Hi all,
I would like to come up with a DC nonlinear model of an amplifier. I calculated k1, k2, and k3 based on gain, OIP2, and OIP3 of the amp. And now, I need to simulate the output voltage equation vo=k1vi+k2vi^2+k3vi^3. I use SDD2P block to simulate(as shown in the pictures below), but I could not get similar OIP2 and OIP3 values by doing HB simulations. Does anyone know what I've done wrong in the simulation setup?
Thank you so much!

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Re: Nonlinear model of amplifier simulation using SDD
Show me equations for k1, k2 and k3 you use.
http://edadocs.software.keysight.com...pageId=5923594
And you use "vi" in SDD without defining it.Last edited by pancho_hideboo; 18th March 2017 at 11:37.

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Re: Nonlinear model of amplifier simulation using SDD
No.
I request equations for k1, k2 and k3.

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Re: Nonlinear model of amplifier simulation using SDD
First, set k2=0.
Can you get reasonable results when k2=0 ?
I think your equations for k2 and k3 are very suspicious.
See http://www.designersguide.org/Model...rfsystems.pdf
There are many definition of IM2.
And IM2 is out of band.
Show me definition of your IM2.Last edited by pancho_hideboo; 21st March 2017 at 16:46.
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