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Why Synopsys DC and PrimeTime timing analysis report is same!!!!!

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I had done the timing analysis of a counter in both Synopsys DC and PrimeTime, but got the same output!! Any problem ??

Design file used is counter.v
The design compiler output is attached as DC.txt
The PrimeTime output is attached as PT.txt

Design compiler output is generated by giving input as counter.v , and clock period of 2.

PrimeTime output is generated by giving input as netlist file of counter , sdf file of counter (both generated from design compiler) and clock period of 2.

View attachment DC.txt View attachment PT.txt
 

I would kind of expect them to be the same...

1. DC synthesizes the design into a netlist and runs timing analysis on that netlist.
2. Primetime loads the netlist produced by DC and runs timing analysis on that netlist.

You didn't change the netlist, SDF, or the default wireload models. If they didn't match then I'd be worried.
 
ads-ee said:
I would kind of expect them to be the same...

1. DC synthesizes the design into a netlist and runs timing analysis on that netlist.
2. Primetime loads the netlist produced by DC and runs timing analysis on that netlist.

You didn't change the netlist, SDF, or the default wireload models. If they didn't match then I'd be worried.
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  • I think DC actually calculates delay based on wireload models (RTL delay) not netlist delay.
  • I loaded both SDF file and netlist file for primetime and not in DC.
 

Hi gstekboy
As per my understanding both should match . As you are giving DC output netlist and sdf to PT and your constraints are also same . Since no routing or physical changes had not happened so it should not vary. Both will vary if there are any constraints mismatch or if any environment setting mismatch between them.
if you see between pnr tool and PT then PT will show you good results than pnr tool because pnr tool timing calculation is not as good as primetime. But in case of DC synthesis tool it should not vary much as it is using wireload models.

Hope it will help you.


Thanks
 
kirteshmiet said:
Hi gstekboy
As per my understanding both should match . As you are giving DC output netlist and sdf to PT and your constraints are also same . Since no routing or physical changes had not happened so it should not vary. Both will vary if there are any constraints mismatch or if any environment setting mismatch between them.
if you see between pnr tool and PT then PT will show you good results than pnr tool because pnr tool timing calculation is not as good as primetime. But in case of DC synthesis tool it should not vary much as it is using wireload models.

Hope it will help you.


Thanks
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Both output are same , then how PrimeTime timing analysis will become more accurate than DC?
 

Actually in my experience the timing results for PT and DC will vary. This statement is made assuming that PT is not using SDF and uses the same wireload models as DC. I suppose they use different compute algorithms..
 
sharath666 said:
Actually in my experience the timing results for PT and DC will vary. This statement is made assuming that PT is not using SDF and uses the same wireload models as DC. I suppose they use different compute algorithms..
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Yeah , I agree with you , but I got same result, why???
 

I suspect the reason should be that the module you are testing is pretty simple( a counter as I understand from your first post). Try it for a bigger and more complex block(e.g. an IP).
 
gstekboy said:
Both output are same , then how PrimeTime timing analysis will become more accurate than DC?
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Hi gstekboy,
In this case then i would say as design is very small so you are not able to see the difference . try it for some bigger logic. As suggested by sarath:)

Thanks
 
ads-ee said:
I would kind of expect them to be the same...

1. DC synthesizes the design into a netlist and runs timing analysis on that netlist.
2. Primetime loads the netlist produced by DC and runs timing analysis on that netlist.

You didn't change the netlist, SDF, or the default wireload models. If they didn't match then I'd be worried.
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I'm feeling some difficulty in your answer because,
  1. DC and PT use different compute algorithms.
  2. DC is based on RTL but PT is based on netlist and SDF.
    So how can I expect them to be same.
 

gstekboy said:
I'm feeling some difficulty in your answer because,
  1. DC and PT use different compute algorithms.
  2. DC is based on RTL but PT is based on netlist and SDF.
    So how can I expect them to be same.
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hi gstekboy,
I need to be cleared about your input database to PT: your netlist and SDF are exported from DC, aren't it ?
if yes, when you read them into PT, it just annotate SDF to netlist (what is DC already calculated) --> should be the same - I think.
to see difference, I think you should load netlist and SDC (which is exported from DC) into PT. then the tool will do compute, and may be bring different result.

P/S: in PT.txt , you can see character "*" --> that tell us that the value is annotated from SDF
 
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hi gstekboy,
- I think.
to see difference, I think you should load netlist and SDC (which is exported from DC) into PT. then the tool will do compute, and may be bring different result.

P/S: in PT.txt , you can see character "*" --> that tell us that the value is annotated from SDF
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So, to get accurate result, instead of SDF we must use SDC along with netlist. isn't it?
 

gstekboy said:
So, to get accurate result, instead of SDF we must use SDC along with netlist. isn't it?
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yes gstekboy,
- when you use SDF --> annotated, not calculate
- when you use SDC --> PT will calculate timing.
but I'm not sure about "accurate" :D
 
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