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Impedance Transfer from 50ohm to Complex Impedance (28.4 - j135.4)

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Hi,

I have 3-port S-parameter data measured in 50Ohm system. Now I want transfer my measured data to an another impedance level with his complex (28.4 - j135.4).

I am looking for some equation & math to peform this but not successful. Is their any simulator or software which can help me to do this?

Please help

Regards!
Bharat A
 

I am not sure, but do not think it is possible. S parameters relate forwavd and reflected wave amplitudes on a physical transmission line. The transmission line can have real impedances, like 50 ohms or 28.4 ohms, which relate to the ratio Z=V/I or E/H. There is no thing as a transmission line with a 28.4 ohm -j135.4 characteristic impedance. So I think it can not be done.

You CAN have complex propagation constants in a transmission line, but they relate to velocity and loss per length, rather than impedance=V/I measurement.
 

Hi,

Thanks for your reply. Let me elaborate more.

I have SAW filter device covering WCDMA band. All my Rx port are differential and they are matched to complex load such as 28.4 - j 135.4. My bench top is using VNA to measure this device. As you may know most of system is 50Ohm system.

But since the Rx port is matched to complex impedance I have check the performance of the part by converting impedance from 50Ohm to my target impedance. I think there are some simulator which can do this such as ADS but I am looking for real maths which can establish this impedance transformation.

Regards!
Bharat A
 

I can't determine from the screenshots, if the said Zmatch tool handles S parameters with a complex Z0 and particularly can perform the requested calculations. Following the basic S-parameter definition, a conversion is possible in any case. You can even have different complex refernce impedances for each port of a n-port device. The calculation should be possible by converting S-Parameters to V- and I quantities and then back to S parameters of a different reference impedance.
 

"Generalized S-Parameters"..This subject is rarely expressed in advanced microwave textbook.Transforming is not easy wit hand calculations.But..
If you put your black box with measured s-parameters data in-for instance-ADS and define your port impedances as you want, then if you simulate your black box with these complex port impedances, you'll get a new dataset of s-parameters with complex system impedance which you would.
 

Hi all,

Thanks for your replies & suggestions. But it seems ZMatch from Nuhertz is a pretty expensive software simulation tool for this purpose. In the end I have to implement this feature in my final ATE test solution and mathematical formula will be an cost effective solution for me. I do have an app notes from Anritsu to perform this impedance transfer but the results were not encouraging perhaps I got my math wrong their.

Regards!
Bharat A
 

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FvM said:
I can't determine from the screenshots, if the said Zmatch tool handles S parameters with a complex Z0 and particularly can perform the requested calculations.
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I am sorry for mis-interpreting the question. I was thinking that the question was about impedance matching of complex source and load, not re-normalizing to the new impedance level.

Re-normalizing to a complex Z0 can be done with RF circuit simulators. If you post your 50 Ohm *.s3p data, someone here will be able to do the conversion for you. However, for the result file, the Touchstone file format might be non-standard: the ref impedance value in the file has to be complex now, and some EDA software might no be ready to take that complex value for Z0.
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Volker
 

Convert S-parameter of Z0=50ohm to Y-parameter.
Then convert Y-parameter to S-parameter of Z0=28.4-j*135.4.

If you have Agilent ADS, you can do this very esaily by using "stos()".
See the followings.
stos() - ADS 2009 -*Agilent EEsof Documentation Center
The Designer's Guide Community Forum - How to plot "input reflection coefficient" in ADS

If you don't have Agilent ADS, build your own necessary equations.
See RF Cafe - S to h T Y Z Parameter Conversion, although this is for two-port parameters.
 
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Hi Pancho,

Thanks we managed to do convert s-param to Y-param and convert it back to S-param with complex impedance.

Wonder if there is any documentation of how ADS is doing this in their tool.

Regards!
Bharat A
 

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