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Please help me with 'ICMR'!

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Hi All,

In PE Holberg book, pp186. "The way that ICMR is found is to set VID to zero and vary common mode input until one of the transistor in the differential amplifier is no longer saturated".

I have tried this in simulation. I am using nmos input differential amplifier with current mirror load. As you see in the waveform,

VDS4=VGS4-VT @ 1.2V common mode input (Nmos input transistor M4)
VDS3=VGS3-Vt @ 1.5V common mode input (Nmos tail transistor M3)

What is ICMR in this case? It seem there is no input common mode voltage that can satisfy both transistor M4 and M3 to be in saturation.

cheers
sj
 

I checked the gain with input common mode voltage biased at 0V. I still get a resonable gain around 36dB. But at the 0V common input biased, the tail transistor M3 still in triode. Please help me to understand this.
 

Why dont you try reading page 885 of microelectronic circuits by Sedra and Smith. There they explain the ICMR of a folded cascode with differential inputs.

For the ICMR the basic principle is that your Diffrential pair amplifiers should be in saturation at all times. And the input volatge range for which the differential pair amplifiers are in saturation. They would be your ICMR.

So if it is a basic NMOS diff amp
then maximum volatge is

VDS>VGS-|VT|

VD>VG-|VT|

VDD-Vov(pmos load)>VG-|VT |(diff pair amp)

therefor VG<VDD-Vov+VTn

Similarly do for Minimum volatge

VDS>VGS-|VT|
VG>-VSS+Vov(tail )+Vov(diff pair)+Vtn(diff pair)
 

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