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Puppet1

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29 Sep 2004 19:10 Salaries in Europe

Hello

I want to get an idea of what salaries are like in Europe for an Analog IC/RFIC Design Engineer.
Let's say 5 years experience.

And in Euros.

Countries include those such as UK, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy.

Can someone give me a range in Euros ?

Hungary (and the rest of Eastern Europe - they seem to be the one hiring in Eastern Europe) are of most interest.

Just for comparison, what are the new grad salaries too ...

Sorry for all the questions, just need the info !

Thanks Wink

koky

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29 Sep 2004 22:48 Re: Salaries in Europe

in Italy I know that in medium industries is about 1.200,00 euro, in litlle more

ME

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30 Sep 2004 0:37 Re: Salaries in Europe

koky wrote:

in Italy I know that in medium industries is about 1.200,00 euro, in litlle more

I guess this is per week?
Is seems very little for a month.

econtrol

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30 Sep 2004 17:19 Re: Salaries in Europe

ME wrote:

koky wrote:

in Italy I know that in medium industries is about 1.200,00 euro, in litlle more

I guess this is per week?
Is seems very little for a month.

I'm sorry to notify you that this is a tipical monthly salary in Italy. If you looking for a job in the electronic industry forget Italy. There is only STMicroelectronics and the salary is very low. In Italy there is at the moment a very big problem with the engineers .... they are paid very little and usually they are asked to do a job that has nothing to do with engineer but with low level technical job.

New graduate at the moment receive offer as stage (at 400-500 euro/months), or temporary contract (at 700-800 euro per months).
The situation was dramatic. A lot of new graduate and scientists emigrate every year.

Italy was a good place for your holidays. Now, I think that there i sother place to go in vacation. Italy has become also very expensive.

eltonjohn

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30 Sep 2004 17:48 Re: Salaries in Europe

I see that in France salaries are around 25 K ~ 35 K Euros for a well trained engineer .. .Still very low when compared with US salaries .. I mean if you can find a job this days ! .What are the salaries en SPAIN ?

ME

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30 Sep 2004 17:54 Re: Salaries in Europe

econtrol wrote:

New graduate at the moment receive offer as stage (at 400-500 euro/months), or temporary contract (at 700-800 euro per months).

Really???

Thats about what a 15 year old paperboy can earn in Denmark.

In Denmark we get paid € 600 ($742.5) per month just to study Smile

I wouldn't like to get paid less after graduating Confused

econtrol

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30 Sep 2004 18:15 Re: Salaries in Europe

ME wrote:

econtrol wrote:

New graduate at the moment receive offer as stage (at 400-500 euro/months), or temporary contract (at 700-800 euro per months).

Really???

Thats about what a 15 year old paperboy can earn in Denmark.

In Denmark we get paid € 600 ($742.5) per month just to study Smile

I wouldn't like to get paid less after graduating Confused

I know it sounds no real, but unfortunatly it is. Tipically they say to you that you are not able to do nothing, and so you should be grateful for that wage. The reality is that they ask you to do a job that has no link with a engineer job.
I advise you to look at other place regarding job opportunities (as I do).

Bye

econtrol

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30 Sep 2004 18:22 Re: Salaries in Europe

However that best place to work as electronic engineer in Europe is Ireland and UK. Germany and France are not so bad (you have to think that in Germany and in France healtcare was free and you don't need a private insurance). But If I could chose probably I would chose Ireland.

ME

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30 Sep 2004 18:27 Salaries in Europe

How is salaries in Ireland compared to the Scandinavian countries?

Puppet1

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30 Sep 2004 19:09 Re: Salaries in Europe

So I looked at a few job sites for recruiters in Europe, IC-Resources.co.uk being the most popular and I see that 25K - 30K Euros is a good starting range for salaries.

So I think I am going to target that range.

Any more help, let me know.

Eastern Europe however, interests me the most, I want to see how salaries track the UK, Ireland and France over there...

the_penetrator

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30 Sep 2004 19:56 Re: Salaries in Europe

I wonder what are the salaries for:

1. RTL engineer (my field)
2. Verification engineer (about to learn the use of OVL and learn PSL)
3. System-on-chip integration (AMBA, WishBone)
4. Assembler/compiler/simulator/debugger integration engineer for SoC

Personally, i have 6+ years in Verilog (introductory), 4 years in VHDL (advanced). I have good knowledge of some research compilers (SUIF/MachSUIF even though it is very tough), and use extensively GCC.
I am aware of architecture description languages which are likely to boost the next wave in heterogeneous SoCs. I use occasionally some alpha-level tools for 2 ADLs plus soon i will do a lot of devel. on another one (that one is proprietary).

I have also worked for a domestic, and one EE project. Formally, I have 3 years experience.

What are my chances to get above 1,500 EU mark? Especially in Belgium, Germany, Sweden.

Thanks in advance

the_penetrator

ME

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30 Sep 2004 21:55 Re: Salaries in Europe

the_penetrator wrote:

What are my chances to get above 1,500 EU mark? Especially in Belgium, Germany, Sweden.

I guess you mean € 1,500 per week and not € 1,500 per month?

I don't know what an RTL engineer is, but you can easily earn more than € 1,500 per month without any education at all in these countries just working as a factory worker, taxidriver, working in a supermarket or pizzaria or something like that.
I'm not completely sure about the salaries in Belgium, but I know the salaries in Sweden are almost the same as in Denmark. The salaries in Germany are also very close to th Danish and Swedish salaries.

ME

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30 Sep 2004 22:26 Salaries in Europe

I just checked the salary statistics for Danish electronics engineers working in private owned companies year 2003.

The avarage salary for an electronics engineer with a master degree was € 3,919 ($4,863) per month.

The avarage salary for an electronics engineer with a bachelor degree was € 3,737 ($ 4,637) per month.

Beetroots

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30 Sep 2004 22:30 Re: Salaries in Europe

the_penetrator

In the UK you should be looking at £25K+ (possibly to £30K).

ME

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30 Sep 2004 22:38 Re: Salaries in Europe

Beetroots wrote:

the_penetrator

In the UK you should be looking at £25K+ (possibly to £30K).

£25K per year is the same as €3,000 per month. Close to the Danish salaries.

mandrei

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03 Oct 2004 5:49 Re: Salaries in Europe

In Romania:

A beginer has maximum 300US $/month in the hand (add 200$ for taxes wich company must pay to the state)

An expert has maximum 500-600US $/month in the hand

crapulas
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03 Oct 2004 10:51 Re: Salaries in Europe

In france:

Is 2900/month as said in previous post. However unemployment in engeenering is very high in France and unemployment generally. Therefore the dificulty will be to get employed.
And Frenchs do not speek english very well.
For a job in France: THALES RAYTHEON SYSTEMS employs people from United States and UK.
If you try spain the best way is to start your company instead of being employed. Salaries are 2000€/month in Spain.
Go in UK unless you want to write a book on your job experience in Europe Smile

pisoiu

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03 Oct 2004 11:17 Re: Salaries in Europe

crapulas wrote:

If you try spain the best way is to start your company instead of being employed.

I am curious, what are your arguments for this?

/pisoiu

tom324

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03 Oct 2004 11:21 Re: Salaries in Europe

ME wrote:

koky wrote:

in Italy I know that in medium industries is about 1.200,00 euro, in litlle more

I guess this is per week?
Is seems very little for a month.

LOL. Seems that you (ME) have an easy living in the USA Smile

AFAIK, all the salaries in Europe are per MONTH.

At the moment experienced programmer can earn up to maximum 1000 EUR in Croatia. Unemployment is about 30%-40% and is very hard to find a new job, finding a _good_ new job is 'mission impossible'.

My very first salary at June 1992 (as embedded C programmer for 8051) was cca 150 EUR (per month).

Tom

ME

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03 Oct 2004 12:27 Re: Salaries in Europe

tom324 wrote:

ME wrote:

koky wrote:

in Italy I know that in medium industries is about 1.200,00 euro, in litlle more

I guess this is per week?
Is seems very little for a month.

LOL. Seems that you (ME) have an easy living in the USA Smile

AFAIK, all the salaries in Europe are per MONTH.

No, I live in Denmark, Europe as you can see from my previous posts.
As I said, in Denmark we get paid 600 euros per month just to study.
In USA I would actually have to pay to study, but here I get paid 600 euros per month to study.
I doesn't matter if you study engineering or to be a nurse or teacher or whatever, everyone gets paid € 600 per month from the state when they study.

There is no such thing as scolarships here because it's free to study and you get €600 to cover your living expenes while you are studying.
I know this is not common in most countries, as we (and the rest of Sacnadinavia) has one of the highest living standards in the world.
(and highest taxes too Sad

) the money have to come from somewhere).

If you are un-employed and don't have any un-employmet security, you get paid € 1130 per month from the state and € 1502 if you have any children to provide.
If you have un-employment security you get more.
There is no really poor people in Denmark at all.

I know the salaries are much much lower in Eastern Europe, but I was very surprised that the salaries are so poor in Italy which is a part of Western Europe.

As you can see, I Denmark you get paid just as much without a job and without any un-employment security, as you get paid as an working engineer in Italy.

samcheetah

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03 Oct 2004 14:52 Re: Salaries in Europe

well ME after reading your numerous posts stating that u guyz get paid for studying, im starting to like Denmark.

does this also apply to people from other parts of the world. if im not wrong i believe that u are doing you are an undergraduate student. do master students also get paid for studying? and what language is used in institutions there?

ME

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03 Oct 2004 15:29 Re: Salaries in Europe

samcheetah wrote:

Both bachelor and master students are paid €600 per month.
But I don't think foregniers get paid to study here.
I know Denmark has an agreement with other Nordic countries about study exchange.
This means that for example Norwegians and Swedes can apply for an education in Denmark at the same terms as a Dane.
It can be hard to get into a Medical study in for example Norway, but in Denmark it is quite easy to get in at a medical study, so there is a very high percentage of Norwegian, Swedish and Icelandic medical students in Denmark.
This is starting to get a problem in Denmark, because students from the other Nordic countries take a lot of places from the Danish students in the medical studies and when they have finished their studies they move bac to their country. They are starting to worry that we will not have enough doctors in Denmark in the future because of this. It is alredy a problem and hospitals have started to hire foregin doctors to compensate.
The language used in the institutions is normally Danish, but books are mostly English, but a few institutions teach in English.
Danish is very similar to Swedish and Norwegian, so students from those countries can understand Danish. In Iceland they learn Danish in school, so they can also understand it.
If you come from other countries like Pakistan, I'm not sure it's very easy to come to study in Denmark.
I don't know how many foregneirs they accept and you will also have the language barrier allthough everyone in Denmark speaks english and most also speaks German.
It's probably easier to go to USA to study.

But when you look at the salaries, you should also consider the living costs and taxes at the same time.
The countries with the highest salaries are usally the same countries who have the highest living expenses.
Taxes in Denmark are among the highest in the world to cover for over high social expesnes.

The Economist made something called the BigMac index, which compares the price of a McDonalds BigMac burger around the world. This might sound funny, but they have found out that the price of a BigMac is one of the best indications of the living costs in a country.
You can read about the BigMac index here: http://www.economist.com/markets/Bigmac/Index.cfm

You can't just compare salaries from one country to anoter without considering the living costs in the differeent countries at the same time.
The livng expenses in poor countries are often much lower than in rich countries with high salaries.

For example I'm sure it's cheaper to live in Italy than in Denmark, not that Italy is a poor country.

dora

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03 Oct 2004 22:47 Re: Salaries in Europe

Hi,

Well Bulgaria is still not part of Europe but let me inform you that
here an average engineer gets about 450 euro /month

Regards
dora

econtrol

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04 Oct 2004 3:59 Re: Salaries in Europe

ME wrote:

For example I'm sure it's cheaper to live in Italy than in Denmark, not that Italy is a poor country.

Are you so sure? Mmmmm..... I think you have to come in Italy for a while ...... Italy in the last 3 years has become very expensive ..... this year tourism was down 20% for such reason. The compsumption go down at the end of the month ..... alot of people is getting more and more in debt. Official inflation was a joke ...... everybody knows in Italy. Now I can say that Milan is not cheaper than Munich or Berlin. And so also the rest of the country.
Engineer is paid just a bit more than a worker, like a office worker ..... new graduate at the moment find just some stage at 400-500 euro per month.
A lot of new graduate and young engineers are trying to get a job abroad ...... it's a real leak of engineer and scientist ......

And this is also a big national issue discuss on news paper ...... in Italy nobody invest in R&D ..... we are specialist of marketing and selling ..... so now we have poor products (we do the most clothes and some mechanics). Electronics doesn't exist if you don't consider STM.

If you heard about real trouble in Italy, you shouldn't be surprised.

sutapanaki

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04 Oct 2004 5:33 Re: Salaries in Europe

Dora, that's interesting. Where do you work?

amjad

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04 Oct 2004 6:18 Salaries in Europe

Hmmm
In India design engineer are paid in between 750 USD to 1000 USD which is a very good salary for indian living cost.

flatulent

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04 Oct 2004 6:33 Re: Salaries in Europe

Let me say something positive about Italy. They are world famous for artistic and creative skills. 40 years ago VW went there to get the body for the sports version of the beetle designed for example. It is too bad that they are not rewarding engineers with decent salaries.

hk2004

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04 Oct 2004 6:39 Re: Salaries in Europe

In China, for a fresh BS engineer , the salary is about 150~200 euros per month, and for fresh MS grad, is about 300~500 eruos per moth, of course, some empoyer offer additional welfare about 50~100 euros.
In hk, the situation is 700~900 eruos for BS fresh grad, and 1100~1300 MS fresh grads.

orikfa

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05 Oct 2004 17:39 Re: Salaries in Europe

Does somebody know a good book or software with which learn to speak Danish?

I agree, the italian situation for electronical engineers is dramatic.

hwswboy

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05 Oct 2004 18:26 Re: Salaries in Europe

North SPAIN

Engineering&Management 60K-100K Euro/year

Top Engineers: 50K-80K Euro/year
Skilled engineers 35K-50K Euro/year
Average Engineer 25K-35K Euro/year
Beginners 20K-25K Euro/year

Averages taken from http://www.gaia.es (real, i'm in that area)

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