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force of nature
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 06 Apr 2008 14:31 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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The salary is net. But I think that this salary can not be considered high. Let's look this way: I am single and I will possibly be spending 1250 Euros per month. If I was married I would spend 1600-1700 Euros and if I had a kid, I do not even want to think that. So, the apartment prices are like 100000 Euros in Belgium. And I would have an apartment in 10 years. Do you know how much it would take to have an apartment for a person with my skill in a Eastern Europe country: 3 years!
So once I was thinking that working abroad is advantageous, but the truth is just the opposite, I think.
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salma ali bakr
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| 06 Apr 2008 14:36 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| force of nature wrote: |
| TSo, the apartment prices are like 100000 Euros in Belgium. And I would have an apartment in 10 years. |
do you have to BUY an apartment?!
just rent one...
besides, if you think € 2000 isn't enough for you now with your amount of experience, then no job salary in belgium will satisfy you then  the salaries aren't that high..
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force of nature
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| 06 Apr 2008 14:46 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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I think, buying an apartment in the smallest time frame is plausible, because paying for rents is just like throwing away the money, but if you can buy a house, later you can sell it when you leave and you lose much less money. Of course, this is my way of thinking, you can think different.
It seems that you know Belgium much better than me, can you give me a range for 3-5 year experienced engineer salary range in Belgium?
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omara007
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| 06 Apr 2008 14:47 Salaries in Europe |
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| what are the taxes range in Belgium ? .. for families ..
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salma ali bakr
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| 06 Apr 2008 14:48 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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you salary is a good salary...it's suitable for a 3-5 years experience engineer
but take care: the taxes you pay depend on many factors...
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force of nature
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| 06 Apr 2008 14:54 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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Bruto salary is a bit more than 3000 Euros. Anyway, I do not understand whether the salaries that I pay will make a difference for me. Belgium taxes are really high.
| salma ali bakr wrote: |
you salary is a good salary...it's suitable for a 3-5 years experience engineer
but take care: the taxes you pay depend on many factors... |
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omara007
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| 06 Apr 2008 14:55 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| salma ali bakr wrote: |
you salary is a good salary...it's suitable for a 3-5 years experience engineer
but take care: the taxes you pay depend on many factors... |
so, how much do think one single guy (non-family) can save out of that 2K ? .. just a figure ..
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salma ali bakr
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| 06 Apr 2008 15:01 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| omara007 wrote: |
| what are the taxes range in Belgium ? .. for families .. |
they make a magical taxes calculation that includes your status, your experience, your country of origin, your nationality, etc...and then they give you the net...
but the taxes range between 25%-35% for foreigners...
also a big part of the salary is taken for social security!
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| salma ali bakr wrote: |
you salary is a good salary...it's suitable for a 3-5 years experience engineer
but take care: the taxes you pay depend on many factors... |
so, how much do think one single guy (non-family) can save out of that 2K ? .. just a figure .. |
If one doesn't have a car, and doesn't travel a lot nor spends a lot on outings and leisures, then he can save around € 1000 from the € 2000...
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omara007
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| 06 Apr 2008 15:10 Salaries in Europe |
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there is a huge gap between salaries in Belgium and UK .. I strongly believe that 4k/month pound in UK (gross) is cconsidered a low salary .. given that 4k pound means maybe 6+ K euro. Am I correct ?
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if you can save 1K out of the 2k, does this mean you have to be sharing an apart. with a room-mate ? .. or 1k is enough to rent a room/apart + cover your normal expenses ?
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salma ali bakr
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| 06 Apr 2008 15:12 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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£ 4000 ~ € 5000
this gross salary isn't low at alllllllll in BE, for someone who has about 3-5 years experience
by the way, regarding buying your own house, i have co-workers here who have been working for 10 years and still can't buy a house, but they're Belgians! so maybe, since their taxes are about 45-50%, it's too tough to save enough 
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omara007
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| 06 Apr 2008 15:18 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| salma ali bakr wrote: |
£ 4000 ~ € 5000
this gross salary isn't low at alllllllll in BE, for someone who has about 3-5 years experience
by the way, regarding buying your own house, i have co-workers here who have been working for 10 years and still can't buy a house, but they're Belgians! so maybe, since their taxes are about 45-50%, it's too tough to save enough |
Just make sure to ask for a bigger salary if you apply for a job in the UK .. it looks like Belgium is a non-expensive country
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salma ali bakr
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| 06 Apr 2008 15:21 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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i'm not planning to go to UK at all...
besides, who said that belgium is a non-expensive country??!!
it's more expensive than germany in food for instance..
i know people that go buy clothes from lille, france cause it's cheaper there..
we're comparing the UK with a country in the EU..
UK is out of the game by all means, and it's more expensive
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omara007
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| 06 Apr 2008 17:42 Salaries in Europe |
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| u still didn't say anything regarding rents in belgium ..
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salma ali bakr
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| 07 Apr 2008 10:31 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| salma ali bakr wrote: |
it really depends on the city, the neighborhood...and the building type...
i'll talk about leuven, that's where i am..
for a 2 bedroom apartment, you could get something for 550-650 €, in a huge apartment building, and a noisy place
in a smaller building and quieter neighborhood, it'll be around 650-750 €
of course, that doesn't include the extra costs of the garbage system, and the cleaning, etc...
look at this site: www.immoweb.be |
yes i did
read the earlier posts please
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n1cm0c
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| 07 Apr 2008 15:00 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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If you can find an engineering job in your home country (eastern europe, EU in general) it's usually better to stay home than to move elsewhere.
Over the years the career won't be so good if you are a foreigner (except a few "star performers" but then the USA is the best place...), buying a house is much more expensive abroad, food and other costs are higher, etc.
Locals always know how to get better deals than non-locals, that's a general rule everywhere.
Finally, all/most of the taxes on the salary go to pay retirement *of the locals* , none of whom belong to your family. If you don't live the rest of your life in that country, then it's money lost to you/your family in the future...
Just my two cents...
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buenos
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| 10 Apr 2008 21:04 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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salma ali bakr,
which company do you work at?
a moved away from Leuven 1 month ago, to UK.
my salary was increased by 35%, but my housing cost was increased by 200%, although i live in a one bedroom flat at the side of the town, in leuven i lived in a studio in the towncentre (diestsevest).
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ch1k0
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| 10 Apr 2008 21:18 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| buenos wrote: |
salma ali bakr,
which company do you work at?
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He say IMEC.
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a moved away from Leuven 1 month ago, to UK.
my salary was increased by 35%, but my housing cost was increased by 200%, although i live in a one bedroom flat at the side of the town, in leuven i lived in a studio in the towncentre (diestsevest). |
what part you live ? you left what work ? for salary ?
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buenos
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| 10 Apr 2008 21:23 Salaries in Europe |
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i live in colchester now.
i worked at pec products, technologielaan 12.
salary now, as a starter i hope, 30GBP
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omara007
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| 11 Apr 2008 2:58 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| buenos wrote: |
i live in colchester now.
i worked at pec products, technologielaan 12.
salary now, as a starter i hope, 30GBP |
This 30k GBP is gross, right ? .. what about the net after tax deduction ?
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buenos
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| 11 Apr 2008 8:26 Salaries in Europe |
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gross.
22% income tax, 10% health insurance, 70GBP/month council tax after the apartment.
i earned 30k euro in belgium. it was low, i think for a hardware design engineer.
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salma ali bakr
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| 11 Apr 2008 10:07 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| buenos wrote: |
salma ali bakr,
which company do you work at?
a moved away from Leuven 1 month ago, to UK.
my salary was increased by 35%, but my housing cost was increased by 200%, although i live in a one bedroom flat at the side of the town, in leuven i lived in a studio in the towncentre (diestsevest). |
i work in IMEC...although the salary isn't that high...but the working environment is great...it doesn't really matter how much i earn if we compare it to the experience i'm getting...also, i'm single so i don't have to support a family...i'm somehow in a peace of mind!
so, after both experiences, which do you prefer as a whole?!
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He say IMEC.
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i'm a SHE not a HE
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buenos
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| 11 Apr 2008 19:40 Salaries in Europe |
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the work is much better at this company higher level, but the mentality in belgium is more quiet, people are not shouting to each other on the streets... belgium is more liveable, easier. so i feel a little nostalgy.
do you go by bus? to the industriepark, by the nr630 or nr4? maybe we saw each other...
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salma ali bakr
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| 12 Apr 2008 22:57 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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i used to go by bus 2 for a month, since i was staying in downtown... but now i either walk or go by bike...since i recently moved to heverlee...so i'm already close
where's the industry park?? i'm not near the philips site if you're talking about that!
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force of nature
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| 13 Apr 2008 10:16 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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Was this 30k euro net salary or gross salary, and also what was your experience level?
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gross.
22% income tax, 10% health insurance, 70GBP/month council tax after the apartment.
i earned 30k euro in belgium. it was low, i think for a hardware design engineer. |
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buenos
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| 13 Apr 2008 10:30 Salaries in Europe |
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the industry park is in haasrode. actually i checked where imec is: far away from that.
30k euro gross.
my experience level was:
-officially: low, i have graduated (msc) less than 2 years ago.
-unofficially: high, i had much more technical experience than my colleagues together in hardware design, since i started designing hardware 8 years before i graduated, when i was 17 years old. so now 10 years.
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| 14 Apr 2008 22:03 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| force of nature wrote: |
The salary is net. But I think that this salary can not be considered high. Let's look this way: I am single and I will possibly be spending 1250 Euros per month. If I was married I would spend 1600-1700 Euros and if I had a kid, I do not even want to think that. So, the apartment prices are like 100000 Euros in Belgium. And I would have an apartment in 10 years. Do you know how much it would take to have an apartment for a person with my skill in a Eastern Europe country: 3 years!
So once I was thinking that working abroad is advantageous, but the truth is just the opposite, I think. |
In what part of Eastern Europe? in Bucharest a flat (1bedroom) starts at 90k euros and not in a good neighborhood, a flat with 2 bedrooms could be more de 200k.... between Bucharest and be belgium..i`d rather stay in belgiu at there is a bigger chance to get a salary >2k
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omara007
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| 14 Apr 2008 22:35 Salaries in Europe |
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| 90k euros is definitely the price to own .. not the rent .. am I correct ?
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buenos
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| 14 Apr 2008 22:58 Salaries in Europe |
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i lived in eastern europe and also in western europe.
so i think if you need 10 years in belgium, then you would need 30 years in hungary or romania for the same thing.
if your uncle is the director at a company in bucharest, of course you would earn a lot...
my salary would be (some friends earn that) 3x lower than in england, 2.5x lower than in belgium.
renting a 1bed flat in hungary (a nice one) is 200gbp, in england is 600gbp. but what remains from the salary, same % but it is 3x in value, you spend on a car or on a tv what costs the same...
house prices will grow in eastern europe as soon as they join to the euro zone, 2x is possible, within 2-3 years. i am hure that the salaries will not grow, those could have grown already, the employers forced it down.
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ddboy40
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| 05 May 2008 21:27 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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Salaries in Germany are dependent on where you live.
Eastern Germany is about 32k-40kEuro for a Beginer.
West Germany is from 35k-44kEuro. Note that the employee in Eastern Germany can afford more for his little sallary because of the very low living cost there(eastern). Nobody ones even to get there though
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| 07 May 2008 13:06 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| what about austria? what's the scene over there ... salary , taxes, rents ,general cost of living ...?
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