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lchaniot
Joined: 04 Aug 2006
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Location: Greece
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 04 Aug 2006 12:57 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| Thinkie wrote: |
Ιchaniot,
The situation in Greece is quite bad for engineers.....
The problem is that there is so much untapped potential in this country, lots of talented engineers willing to work for low-paid work.... |
Well, they have to make a living somehow... Low wages is better than no wages. As for the potential, unfortunately the hardware & embedded systems market shrunk in Greece during the past five years (as did other markets). Companies closed, and those that remain can choose from a wide employee pool with good credentials. This, along with the general economic instability, lowers salaries. Only two or three bigger companies will now hire HW engineers, with low wages compared to what they'd be getting 5 years ago - and they'll tell you you should be grateful to work for them and have a stable income. Smaller companies don't exist to lure talented people away with higher wages, so the situation worsens as time passes. A lot of my old colleagues have either switched from HW to SW engineering, which has a broader market, or to sales (like I did).
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Greece also has a lot of ex-pats, people who live in US or UK/Germany and are
willing to return to Greece on the right opportunity. |
They're not that many, most are people who left to study and later came back. Most of those that I've met, have regretted their decision, unless they came back as pensioners, and therefore have no impact on the work market.
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| yet the companies here are constant underachievers... |
Small to medium sized Greek companies suffer from lack of vision, forethought, state support (the government in a lot of cases actually discourages entrepreneurs), and organization. They are generally too narrow-minded or resource-constrained (or both) to think how to expand beyond the Greek market, which is at death's door if not dead already. Serious investments are rare, most people make a living on borrowed money and there's neither hope nor any work done to improve the situation. I am seriously considering leaving the country and never coming back.
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lestin
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| 08 Aug 2006 20:33 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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Not sure whether that's tax free, not likely in fact
But 22000 is a sound price
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An engineer in UK told me this:
A fresh grad entering a job in electronics in UK can expect 22000 pounds/year (33000 euros). And I think you are tax free below 30K pounds/year.
Can anybody confirm this? Is it too high or too low? It is a good deal if you are really tax free. |
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Thinkie
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| 20 Sep 2006 14:24 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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22K is a normal first job in Uk
You should expect this to rise to 30K after 3-4 years
and over 40K for a Senior Position over 5-6 years
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MM55
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| 20 Oct 2006 10:24 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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To the Danish. You dont get paid to study, well some part of it but the rest is a loan even in Denmark, second Denmark has the worlds no 1 highest income tax before Sweden which comes up at the second place. Salleries in Denmark was 2005 statistic the highest in the world, after tax however not. Denmark is together with the rest of the nordic/scandinavian countries+japan and GB the most expensive places to live in the world. For a low or medium income taker the scandinavian systems are relly great but those countries doesnt favour peoplee with ambitions. Ofcourse still better then mostt european countries when it comes to living standarrds, better be with norway as the second after luxenburg richestt country counted in GDP/capita in the world and Denmark number five.
However the scandinavian countrries has among the highest unemployment for immigrants in all europe only beteen by The Nederlands so still is not worth going there to search for work as an enginerer. Sweden however takes in quiet a fue ingenirer with long experience.
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kikkus
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| 24 Oct 2006 14:02 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| I agree, the italian situation for electronical engineers is dramatic. |
Dramatic? Are you joking?? Dramatic is too much!! Here all is sh*t . My dream is to leave this sh*tting state.
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Puppet1
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| 21 Dec 2006 13:22 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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what are salaries in france like (i saw here 2.5K to 4K a month) and what is vacation like and taxes.
thanks.
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n1cm0c
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| 16 Jan 2007 19:15 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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It's been some time since I worked in France, so I can't quote salaries. I do know that *now* in the IT sector the job situation is good, really good. French people I know in Paris just walk out of one job to another one, because of annoying boss, co-worker. So, for the past year at least, job market is good...
For chip design, there are less companies, but my friends are also doing well, all are employed, and got raises, or more paid vacations.
French taxes are high, 1/3 to 1/2 of your gross salary, but then public services (social security, unemployment, school, medica care) are good and nearly free.
Living in Paris is the worst choice, housing is difficult and expensive. Toulouse, Nice, Lyon, Aix-en-provence are cheaper, have better weather, and salaries are similar.
Switzerland is the USA of Europe =>*high* salaries, low taxes, hard to get a permanent work permit <= On the other hand housing in Zuerich is *expensive*, and social security (medical coverage, unemployment, retirement) is somewhat in between USA and Europe. Beautiful country, but it's difficult to obtain permanent residency. Swiss german is also a ... peculiar form of expression. They all speak good english, but without german you'll be an outsider (in the germanic CH, where the hi tech jobs mostly are).
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morag
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| 01 Feb 2007 20:38 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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In Israel:
for a fresh grad:
3000-3500 Euro/month (gross)
that's 1800-2300 net.
3-6 yr exp:
3500-4500 Eu/month (gross)
(2300-2700 net)
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marvin_ee2006
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| 22 Apr 2007 8:05 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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Hello,
Greetings to all...I am glad I have come across this forum. Your discussions gave me a lot of idea.
I have read all the posts in this topic but I guess I didn't see any post stating the salary of engineers in Austria - particularly in the Graz area.
I am a Test Engineer and is expecting/hoping for a job offer there. Is 3500 Euro too high or too low? My experience in analog/mixed-signal test engineering is a bit more than 7 years...plus 5 years of experience as a test technician. Also, I am about to finish my masters in electrical engineering major in microelectronics.
I would really appreciate your soonest reply.
MC
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amihomo
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| 19 May 2007 0:03 Salaries in Europe |
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Hi
In Iran electronic engineers with 3+ years experience are paid in between 400 USD to 900 USD , which is 2~5 times the minimum sallary paid to a worker.
The poverty line of income in Iran is about 400 USD according to the centeral bank of Iran.
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Puppet1
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| 19 May 2007 3:55 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| is that 400 to 900 a month ?
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amihomo
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| 20 May 2007 2:03 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| is that 400 to 900 a month ? |
yes, its the salary for a month.Some industries may pay more , but the average is about 400 to 900 USD per month .
Also, in Iran work time is 44 hours per week , and we have 2.5 days leave per month (1 month per year).
The unemployment rate is rather high and finding a job is the main problem,so some applicants might accept lower salaries just to get a job.The situation for engineering graduates is somewhat better , but for other graduates, such as agricultural graduates the situation is regrettable , we have 40000 unemployed agricultural graduates!
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omara007
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| 15 Aug 2007 15:25 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| hwswboy wrote: |
North SPAIN
Engineering&Management 60K-100K Euro/year
Top Engineers: 50K-80K Euro/year
Skilled engineers 35K-50K Euro/year
Average Engineer 25K-35K Euro/year
Beginners 20K-25K Euro/year
Averages taken from http://www.gaia.es (real, i'm in that area) |
Any information regarding taxes and living costs ?
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vizard356
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| 29 Aug 2007 16:49 Salaries in Europe |
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| In india freshers in software of vlsi etc.. can get 500 to 1000 USD/month.
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jojo34
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| 06 Sep 2007 16:48 Salaries in Europe |
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I think working and living in Germany/Austria/Switzerland is the best choice. May be the people in Germany and Switzerland are colder than normal, but the austrians are very warm. Switzerland is very expencive, but the salaries are higher and the taxes are low. Germany is much cheaper, but the tax is 20% and health-care insurance 13% + pension insurance 17%.
In Germany you can get 4K a month as a fresh graduate, and 5 - 8K as a an experienced/senior engineer.
Austria, Germany, Switzerland offer very high standard, good health care services have a look at:
http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10009626.shtml
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pepevi
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| 27 Sep 2007 0:07 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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North SPAIN
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Any information regarding taxes and living costs ? |
Depends So Much on the area. A flat in Madrid or Bcna can reach 6000€/m^2. Renting an old standard apartment is 900~1200€.
A coke from 0.4€ in supermarkets to 4€ in pubs. Typical vending machine: 1.2€
1Mb ADSL 30€ (ouch!)
Metro in Madrid: 1€ / single ticket
Gas: ~1€/L
Starbucks latte: 3.5€
Standard coffee: 1€
McDonald's menu: 6€
Taxes: Almost everything you buy has 16% of I.V.A.
Income: 24-43%
And you will have 3 or 4 bars (beer, not physics) / street 
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omara007
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| 07 Oct 2007 13:22 Salaries in Europe |
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| what are the latest salary ranges in UK/France/Germany for experienced ASIC/FPGA designers ?
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salma ali bakr
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| 08 Oct 2007 8:21 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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North SPAIN
Engineering&Management 60K-100K Euro/year
Top Engineers: 50K-80K Euro/year
Skilled engineers 35K-50K Euro/year
Average Engineer 25K-35K Euro/year
Beginners 20K-25K Euro/year
Averages taken from http://www.gaia.es (real, i'm in that area) |
Any information regarding taxes and living costs ? |
SA Mohammad...
The taxes depend on each country...but since you'd be a foreigner...you get a special tax regime which is calculated upon your acceptance of the offer...it's much less than the natives of course...but it'd be about 15-25%
the living costs would be also depending on your family size, the area of the house and its distance from city center... and the country of course...but it won't be less than 500-600 euros...for something that's "good"...!
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omara007
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| 08 Oct 2007 8:51 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| omara007 wrote: |
| what are the latest salary ranges in UK/France/Germany for experienced ASIC/FPGA designers ? |
Any F5 (refresh) to this ?
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salma ali bakr
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| 08 Oct 2007 8:53 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| what are the latest salary ranges in UK/France/Germany for experienced ASIC/FPGA designers ? |
Any F5 (refresh) to this ? |
i'm not sure...but here's an estimate...50-70K gross 
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omara007
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| 08 Oct 2007 9:02 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| salma ali bakr wrote: |
| omara007 wrote: |
| omara007 wrote: |
| what are the latest salary ranges in UK/France/Germany for experienced ASIC/FPGA designers ? |
Any F5 (refresh) to this ? |
i'm not sure...but here's an estimate...50-70K gross |
Now you are talking in Euro .. what about GBP, in case you want to work in U.K. ?
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salma ali bakr
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| 08 Oct 2007 9:20 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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about 35-50K
but living expenses are different of course...it's more expensive in UK
it ain't EU too, you sure know that
maybe some natives could tell us more!
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omara007
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| 08 Oct 2007 10:18 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| salma ali bakr wrote: |
about 35-50K
but living expenses are different of course...it's more expensive in UK
it ain't EU too, you sure know that
maybe some natives could tell us more! |
35k - 50k is a real wide range .. specially when we talk in GBPs. This is like when we say in the US a salary range of 60k - 90k .. with effectively one end expressing a fresher and the other expressing a pretty experienced senior
Anyhow .. thanks for the info ..
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salma ali bakr
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| 08 Oct 2007 10:34 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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15k ain't a "wide range"...!
your "range" was 30k...differs, doesn't it ?
also, you're talking about different locations...EU, UK, USA!
many differences
anyway, good luck
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omara007
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| 08 Oct 2007 12:38 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| salma ali bakr wrote: |
15k ain't a "wide range"...!
your "range" was 30k...differs, doesn't it ?
also, you're talking about different locations...EU, UK, USA!
many differences
anyway, good luck |
15K (GBP) ~= 30k (USD)
so, the range is effectively 30K USD .. which is a real huge range if we are speaking internationally (purchase power).
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salma ali bakr
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| 09 Oct 2007 11:16 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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How about what was written earlier...
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North SPAIN
Engineering&Management 60K-100K Euro/year
Top Engineers: 50K-80K Euro/year
Skilled engineers 35K-50K Euro/year
Average Engineer 25K-35K Euro/year
Beginners 20K-25K Euro/year
Averages taken from http://www.gaia.es (real, i'm in that area) |
As seen here in this earlier post...the range of salaries is huge! A 40K gap for eng. management, 30K for top engineers,.. , down to 5K for beginners...so for instance, in the salaries of "top engineers", I didn't find a fresher at 50K nor a senior at 80K !!! the 50k-80k was given for just one position...why wasn't that a "very wide range" ...the guy says they're real numbers
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force of nature
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| 06 Apr 2008 11:20 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| I got an offer for an analog ic design engineer job in Belgium. It is 2000Euro/month net and there are 13 months pay. I recently got my masters degree. Is this a good or normal salary? What do you think? Thank you.
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salma ali bakr
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| 06 Apr 2008 11:27 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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of course it's a good salary if it's the net
good luck
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omara007
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| 06 Apr 2008 13:50 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| salma ali bakr wrote: |
of course it's a good salary if it's the net
good luck |
so, how much does it cost to rent a 2-bedroom apart. (on average) in Belg. ?
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salma ali bakr
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| 06 Apr 2008 14:10 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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it really depends on the city, the neighborhood...and the building type...
i'll talk about leuven, that's where i am..
for a 2 bedroom apartment, you could get something for 550-650 €, in a huge apartment building, and a noisy place
in a smaller building and quieter neighborhood, it'll be around 650-750 €
of course, that doesn't include the extra costs of the garbage system, and the cleaning, etc...
look at this site: www.immoweb.be
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