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mishi
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 17 Feb 2005 17:45 Salaries in Europe |
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| thnx.... do you have any idea whether DAAD exchange scholars get students housing or not?
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neuralc
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| 17 Feb 2005 18:12 Salaries in Europe |
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In Portugal:
Engineers +-5 Years Experience can take 1500 euro/mounth
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Puppet1
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| 17 Feb 2005 23:19 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| no wonder there are so many IC design houses in Portugal...
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DanTheMan
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| 18 Feb 2005 0:17 Salaries in Europe |
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I would check with the university...usually I'd think if it was an exchange program they'd get some kind of allowance for housing, or subsidized student housing...
Note that it's different for North America, exchange students from other countries only get their tuition covered in most cases!
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gertoth
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| 23 Feb 2005 5:25 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| Senior specialist earns 500 euro/mounth in Ukraine.
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fekete
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| 23 Feb 2005 9:35 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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I collected the info from all the postings, converted to USD per month before taxes .
Then I added a column that I think it would be useful to understand what a salary actually means in that country. The “What is a good salary”column. This is a salary that would allow one single person to own a decent car and own a decent house after 20-30 years.
(don’t ask me what is a decent car/house, depends on the country)
This I think includes the cost of living, taxes, comparison with the salary of a maid etc. When you know how your salary compares with a “good” one, you understand where you stand.
Please add your input to that column, as well to the rest of the table.
Also it would be nice to have some data from other countries.
Not only Europe, and not only Analog IC/RFIC Design Engineers
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Fom
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| 23 Feb 2005 9:55 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| So, the best salary in Ukraine!?
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fekete
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| 23 Feb 2005 10:24 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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Obviously there is an extra K there.
There might be other “big” mistakes like this. It wasn’t an easy task to gather all that info.
Please come with some useful feedback
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yiyin
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| 27 Feb 2005 0:02 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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In Philips(Netherlands), the salary for an entry level engineer is about 2.5K/month
but only 1.5K after tax.....
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| 27 Feb 2005 21:09 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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To understand how one would live on that salary over there, you should also list the prices of: food, gasoline, house etc.
It is simpler if you just tell us what would be a decent-to-good salary in that country so that we can have an idea what the 2.5K (1.5K) means. A good salary, not the income of a cosmetic surgeon etc.
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Puppet1
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| 27 Feb 2005 21:54 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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you need a cost of living index to figure that out.
try this page: http://www.finfacts.com/costofliving.htm
has europe and compares to to all cities in the world to get a feel for how expensive it is to live in and around major world cities and countries.
salary doesn't mean anything, it is what you can get (purchasing power) with that money that matters.
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fekete
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| 28 Feb 2005 1:53 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| salary doesn't mean anything, it is what you can get (purchasing power) with that money that matters |
Agree. However, that cost of living table did not help. Apparently is more expensive to live in Moscow, St. Petersburg Russia and Beijing China than in the US.
Thus the people reporting 300-900 dollars/month should not be alive by now.
In every country there are areas for the rich, where life is more expensive.
I was looking for one simple indicator that would immediately allow estimating the quality of living given by that salary in that country(on average).
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Puppet1
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| 28 Feb 2005 7:55 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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that index is not magical, it lists only major cities in the world and major cities are always expensive, most companies are outside the major cities anyway where it is cheap!
it is hard to find out what you are asking, this is why i posted this message in the first place, and now 5000+ views later people have responded and given me feedback.
this is the only way i have found to find this out!
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orikfa
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| 28 Feb 2005 14:27 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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the best way is to get the cost of living in the city in which you are searching the job because in the same country living in a city instead in another one may heavly change it.
Salaries trends compared to above parameter is good to estimate what will be your living level in that city, but fist of all you must not forget the hiring ratio to check how high are your employment possibilities in that city.
So, fist check hiring ratio selecting the country with the best one, then check salaries and cost of living for the selected city where you apply for the job.
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| 28 Feb 2005 15:20 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| that index is not magical, it lists only major cities in the world and major cities are always expensive, most companies are outside the major cities anyway where it is cheap! |
That is basically what I said (remember? – “In every country there are areas for the rich, where life is more expensive … looking for something in average”). So, then what is the use of this index for us?
I am tring to make things simpler, this just adds to the confusion.
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| it is hard to find out what you are asking |
You don’t have to find out yourself. Each person reporting a salary surely knows how much they would need for a nice living. I know that for my country, you know that for yours –what is so difficult?
Look at some posts:
amjad on page 1
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| In India design engineer are paid in between 750 USD to 1000 USD which is a very good salary for indian living cost. |
Now I have an idea what a salary of 1000 USD means in India (on average of course), it is definitely not the same in Denmark.
keks on page 4
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| It seems to me that u can afford nearly the same things with 300€ in romania as someone in germany with 3000€/month. |
Of course there is a degree of subjectivity in each response but that is valid for anything here. It is only intended to give an idea.
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| people have responded and given me feedback |
Don’t be other people’s puppet! They can post themselves.
orikfa
You are talking more from the point of view of somebody who is already in that country and it is interested in specifics. From outside, when you don’t know in what city you’ll have a chance to get a job (and if) you need to have an idea of the situation in that country first and then in particular cities. After all, the engineering salaries reported in the forum were mostly for the country not per city.
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| the best way is to get the cost of living in the city in which you are searching the job |
It makes sense if you also have the salaries for that city, because they also depend on city. So if people will take the effort to report salaries in various cities, that is fine with me – they could still define a nice salary for that city for comparison!
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| you must not forget the hiring ratio |
Of course, but that is a whole new topic, while we still not have salary data from many countries.
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fekete
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| 28 Feb 2005 15:34 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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I don’t know why this was the second time I appeared as Guest although I was logged in.
fekete
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eddsos
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| 03 Mar 2005 10:52 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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In Shanghai, China, an experienced IC engineer can get 800$/month(American Dollar after tax). If you has house, then you can live well. But it's hard to buy a
house.
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fekete
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| 03 Mar 2005 15:38 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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Nihao eddsos,
OK, but how much salary would you need to be able to buy a decent house in 20 –30 years (and live well in the mean time)?
What is before tax?
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maxer
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| 22 Mar 2005 10:55 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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i can confirm salaries are low in italy...
and the truth is that higly skilled technician and engineers use to do quite the same things...
regarding what is done in italy it is not so true that only ST microelectronics exist...
there are also other companies which are maybe not so well known to public...
i used to help in setting up one of these in south italy where financial aid from the state was given...
regards
maXer
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SwordFish
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| 23 Mar 2005 10:46 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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Romania:
beginer(Bachelor) : around 300Euro/month (in hand)
experienced : around 500-1000Euro/month (in hand)
expert : even > 1.500euro/month
This depend on company (especialy the big ones give a good salary...)
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naisare
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| 29 Mar 2005 4:37 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| Recently I got an offer from Germany for 4K euroes per month( for 4 years of experience in analog design). Is it a good salary to live there. I heard the tax and pension insurance premiums are heavy in Germany. Is it true?
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ppenday
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| 29 Mar 2005 7:27 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| wow..sounds like anlaog designers r getting paid a lot
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Puppet1
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| 29 Mar 2005 8:07 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| depends where in germany you are--big cities are some of the most expensive in the world -- that sounds low for a big city from what i have read here
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Mazz
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| 29 Mar 2005 18:57 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| maxer wrote: |
regarding what is done in italy it is not so true that only ST microelectronics exist...
there are also other companies which are maybe not so well known to public...
i used to help in setting up one of these in south italy where financial aid from the state was given...
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Could you be more detailed: what kind of companies? Their name?
Mazz
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naisare
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| 30 Mar 2005 3:50 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| depends where in germany you are--big cities are some of the most expensive in the world -- that sounds low for a big city from what i have read here |
Stuttgart
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| 06 Apr 2005 7:50 Salaries in Europe |
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oh come on .
i wanna killed myself , because i am a cheap IC cad engineer in shanghai .
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kobibar
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| 06 Apr 2005 12:30 Salaries in Europe |
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Israel
Top Engineers: 4k-7k Euro/Month
Skilled engineers 2.7k-3.6k Euro/Month
Average Engineer 1.8k-2.2k Euro/Month
Beginners 1k-1.5k Euro/Month
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cygnet
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| 07 Apr 2005 4:24 Salaries in Europe |
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| However that best place to work as electronic engineer in Europe is Ireland and UK. Germany and France are not so bad (you have to think that in Germany and in France healtcare was free and you don't need a private insurance). But If I could chose probably I would chose Ireland.
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Wayward717
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| 11 May 2005 23:28 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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by the way don't even think Greece
we are worse than terrible
there are 10 companies max
doing nothing more or less (they live from european programmes)
and working conditions as worse as you can imagine
you get 1000euros and pay 400 for rent
come for holidays though
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sutapanaki
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| 11 May 2005 23:49 Re: Salaries in Europe |
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| What about Belgium? Any info for that?
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