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sweesw

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11 Jul 2004 8:21 how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA...)

I know nothing about how a bus transaction is handled.
I wish to learn it from scatch, for example, what means master, what means slave, etc.
Could anyone share some ideas what and where I can start with?
What book I should read to understand it if I have no previous experience?

wadaye

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11 Jul 2004 11:45 Re: how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA

Hi sweesw:

You can read the bus spec which you wanna study, and you will know

what the Master, Slave and something like this meaning!

wang1

rakko

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11 Jul 2004 17:24 Re: how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA

if you know nothing about pci, then the spec may be a little too difficult to understand. start with mindshare books. they have books both on pci-x and pci express. There books also include a tutorial cd to make it easier to understand the standard.

zhangpengyu

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14 Jul 2004 6:33 how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA...)

Hi
sweesw!
I think you should read the spec first,and there's a
very good book <pci system architecture> that will
help you very well!
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ram

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16 Jul 2004 11:17 Re: how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA

Hi, to start bus architecture...i think mindshares books are very good..they have complite explanation

eternal_nan

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17 Jul 2004 7:22 how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA...)

Actually, it sounds like OP needs to learn the basics of computer IO subsystems. You should probably read a Computer Organization book and only then go on to the mindshare books.

galant

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19 Jul 2004 4:48 Re: how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA

Actually , for AMBA system bus study, the best way is read its spec that you can download from the arm website.

gaonkc

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19 Jul 2004 6:24 how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA...)

The protocol of the bus is important . if you know the protocol . you can understand the architecture.

delay

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27 Aug 2004 15:05 Re: how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA

AMBA, CAN and USB specs are readable for novice too but PCI and PCMCIA are little too abstruse.

FLEXcertifydll

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29 Aug 2004 9:48 how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA...)

Nothing, just try it.
do your first project, not reading the protcol but
the impement is more helpful.

allanweee

Joined: 04 Aug 2004
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03 Sep 2004 9:06 how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA...)

First, you must have a good book.
second, work hard
third try to implement
that's all

gemini

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03 Sep 2004 13:29 how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA...)

First you should know the BUS protocol

then try apply implement in practice

eric_ec_chen

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10 Sep 2004 5:19 how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA...)

Hi,
You can read the AMBA spec and download the Leon source code to see the AMBA bus timing diagram. Maybe you can have a better understanding agout bus.

jay_ec_engg

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10 Sep 2004 8:08 Re: how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA

go thru
www.einfochips.com
they have designed PCI in ASIC... it may be helpful to u

gold_kiss

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10 Sep 2004 12:25 Re: how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA

There are various ways one can learn Protocol soon ..quickly.
Best way is by sharing talks with person who is familar to the protocol. You can also download lots n lots of presentation material on above mentioned protocols and go through them. See reading a protocol is quite different from deriving a microarchitecture to design one.

Its basically you interprete english language to create an hardware.

All the best,
keep posting!
Gold_kiss

tom123

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18 Jun 2005 7:01 Re: how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA

no other methods, please read specification carefully.

best regards

sweesw wrote:

eeeraghu

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20 Jun 2005 6:49 Re: how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA

Its important to learn about memories, if started with computer architecture then there would be good understanding from the specs, else it would be slightly difficult to start on directly reading the specs.

PCI and USB are easy to read as mindshare books gives a good understading about the protocol,
About AMBA there is no direct book, the only source is ARM AMBA specs(2.0), and even parallelly studying SOC architecture for that would be feasible to understand.

Regards
raghu

jjww110

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20 Jun 2005 8:03 how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA...)

i recommend the book <pci system architecture>
for pci

erodeboy

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10 Jan 2006 10:54 how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA...)

can anyone tell the link in teh board to download books on pci. once i saw but since i dont have points i didnt download

eeeraghu

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11 Jan 2006 12:38 Re: how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA

At EDA books upload/download section give a serach with the key words pci, u will find all the docs and books related to pci

regards
Raghu

Nimer

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12 Jan 2006 3:34 Re: how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA

hi
readabout them from stallings computer architecture book,on the eda theory board

regard

omara007

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12 Jan 2006 4:03 Re: how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA

I recommend u start with the hardest thing .. read the specs even if u won't understand anything .. and while reading, put down on a piece of paper all the terms that u didn't understand .. search for them on the internet .. maybe wikipedia will be very helpful in that .. and keep on till u get the maximum knowledge out of this specs document .. and if did ur best and u still can't get everything, then post questions .. read other documents .. books and so on ..
One thing needs to be mentioned .. if u miss some basics (even if not related to bus architectures), and u found the documents packed with talking about them .. don't leave everything as a whole and go for a basics book .. just learn the specific basics that u miss for the moment .. becuase if u go for learning something else from the begining while u r preparing for a project, time will swift from u .. so, be carefull and get frustrated because of not understanding either new specs terms or even some basics that u might say others definetly know them ..

kevinbrace

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06 Feb 2006 11:37 Re: how to learn the BUS architecture(PCI, PCI Express, AMBA

Hi sweesw,

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