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always@smart
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Hi all,
Everyone is keen to open business in China, however, as far I know in China most of them do not speak English. So are you going to learn chinese?
Any comment, info, link, book for learning chinese are all welcome here.
regards,
always(at)smart
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Al Farouk
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| 21 Apr 2004 9:25 Re: Chinese language |
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I'm also interested in it and I had taken steps towrds learning it. See this links
http://trc.ucdavis.edu/msjacob/langtips.htm.
http://www.1000dictionaries.com/chinese_dictionaries_1.html.
http://www.csulb.edu/~txie/online.htm.
http://www.csulb.edu/~txie/
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guamak_menanak
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| 21 Apr 2004 9:50 Re: Chinese language |
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I think it is better to go for a mandarin class retaher than just learning by dictionary! We need to know the 'slang' and how to say some words in chinese!
I've plan to take mandarin class next month, wanna join me? 
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always@smart
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| 21 Apr 2004 11:29 Re: Chinese language |
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| guamak_menanak wrote: |
I think it is better to go for a mandarin class retaher than just learning by dictionary! We need to know the 'slang' and how to say some words in chinese!
I've plan to take mandarin class next month, wanna join me? |
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Hi guamak_menanak,
I'm actually a chinese, so i can speak, read, write in chinese.
IMO, The most effective way to learn chinese can be these few ways:
1. Mix arround with Chinese. Try to understand what they say or talk with them in chinese.
2. attend chinese classes.
3. listen to chinese songs 
4. most importantly, your determination to learn (it's for everything) and how much the interest you have.
always(at)smart
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orikfa
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| 21 Apr 2004 19:34 Re: Chinese language |
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| does someone has or knows good chinese language books?
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always@smart
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| 23 Apr 2004 4:14 Re: Chinese language |
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| orikfa wrote: |
| does someone has or knows good chinese language books? |
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the links provided above by Al Farouk are actually quite good. maybe u can start from there.
If someone really wanna learn chinese/mandarin, my advice is : try to master in the "Pin Yin", make sure u are able to capture the pronounce or slang. Different pronounce will come out with other word/meaning, so be careful. 
always(at)smart
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always@smart
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| 23 Apr 2004 5:43 Re: Chinese language |
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Welcome,armity..
Another chinese here
tell us more about china...
我們都是一家人 
always(at)smart
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tok47
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| 23 Apr 2004 12:21 Chinese language |
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| do any 1 from China Uni?
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paddy
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| 23 Apr 2004 12:32 Re: Chinese language |
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Hello everyone,I'm a chinese,nice to meet you in this board,Welecom to china! Yes,We are friend in the globe.
But I want to talk with you by english. 
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tom_hanks
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| 23 Apr 2004 16:13 Re: Chinese language |
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Hmm...
then may be I have to start learnig HINDI..
coz INDIA is becoming the next high technology country...
I have some plan to open a business in INDIA..
any one want to join me...
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ymli
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| 24 Apr 2004 4:46 Chinese language |
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My suggestion is：
find a chinese friend, try to talk with him/her by chinese, it is the best /quickest method to learn chinese. the dictionaries are useless.
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guamak_menanak
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| 24 Apr 2004 6:10 Re: Chinese language |
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| I agree with tom_hanks...many of the designers are from india! there have a lot of knowledge about technology! I think pakistan also have their own talent to be the next high technolgy country! :2gunfire:
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elecing
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| 24 Apr 2004 8:09 Chinese language |
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Hello everyone,I'm a chinese too, If anybody want to make friend with me.please add me in the MSN.i' m sorry my english is very badly.
MSN:njpeng(at)china.com.cn
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hk2004
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| 24 Apr 2004 12:04 Re: Chinese language |
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Another hot topic.
I am a Chinese too. English is quite important for a MNC engineer. I have a little difficult do discuss in English with India's engineer by phone. So after the phone have to write email to repeat what we have discussed.
Spoken English is the most important. have fun everyday.
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orikfa
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| 24 Apr 2004 12:55 Re: Chinese language |
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| tom_hanks wrote: |
Hmm...
then may be I have to start learnig HINDI..
coz INDIA is becoming the next high technology country...
I have some plan to open a business in INDIA..
any one want to join me... |
How is HINDI? Do you can share some links about Hindi learning ?
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srik
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| 24 Apr 2004 14:08 Re: Chinese language |
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| orikfa wrote: |
| tom_hanks wrote: |
Hmm...
then may be I have to start learnig HINDI..
coz INDIA is becoming the next high technology country...
I have some plan to open a business in INDIA..
any one want to join me... |
How is HINDI? Do you can share some links about Hindi learning ? |
tom_hanks,
India has 15 official languages and about 800 unofficial languages/dialects. English is the lingua franca in India and definately so in the tech-India. I think more people speak English than any one language in India! (India is a former British colony and is a member of the Commonwealth) . So I think if your needs are business, English is all you need in India .
Learning hindi is definately easier than learning Chinese or Japanese, which derives many of its 'Kanjis' from Chinese language. Pronounciations in hindi require a lot of practice for non Indians, there are 16 vowels in Indian languages. This may be the reason why there is booming call-center business in India. AFAIK Indians can easily speak American, British or Austrailan accents .
srik
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orikfa
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| 25 Apr 2004 13:26 Re: Chinese language |
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I'm learning to write and read Chinese, does Hindi has the same Chinese grammar rules ?
Does someone tells some good Chinese and Indian music players ? If you can, say me the music genre played by such musicians, please.
thanks a lot
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always@smart
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| 26 Apr 2004 4:50 Re: Chinese language |
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Hi all,
Most of my friends and colleagues from INDIA can speak very fluent English. However most of my school-mate from CHINA could not speak English. So, I (personally) think that with English, it should be enough for you to open a business in INDIA. However it might not be the same case in CHINA. So you should at least learn Chinese or other option :
hire a Chinese <-> English translator.
P/S: Do not forget, Taiwan is also occupied by Chinese.
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linxf2003
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| 26 Apr 2004 6:43 Chinese language |
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| I am always wondering what language do Indians speak between them, Hindi or English?
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Al Farouk
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| 26 Apr 2004 8:44 Re: Chinese language |
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Can any any chinese person help me practicing my chinese language learning by writing sending mails to each other as his time allow even one mail/week or two week.
Dear always(at)smart
you had written the following sentence in a priviois post
我們都是一家人
which mean
We are all one family members = wo3 men dou1 shi4 yi2 jia1 ren2
(pin yin)
that is correct ?
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always@smart
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| 26 Apr 2004 9:13 Re: Chinese language |
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| Al Farouk wrote: |
Can any any chinese person help me practicing my chinese language learning by writing sending mails to each other as his time allow even one mail/week or two week.
Dear always(at)smart
you had written the following sentence in a priviois post
我們都是一家人
which mean
We are all one family members = wo3 men dou1 shi4 yi2 jia1 ren2
(pin yin)
that is correct ? |
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Hi Al Farouk,
You are right. The meaning and pin yin are all correct, bingo!!
I can help you to learn chinese, you can anytime send me an email in chinese. But, how u gonna learn how to speak chinese?
always(at)smart
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orikfa
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| 26 Apr 2004 13:26 Re: Chinese language |
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this is written in traditional chinese and goes right only for Taiwan, Hongkong, Macao. also I think that they speeks Cantonese ( seems that it also used in America's Chinese community ). For the Mainland China you need to write in simplified chinese and speak Mandarin.
To learn how to speak Mandarin use these:
Pimsleur, Rosetta Stone and Transparent Language softwares. Also search for a Chinese friend.
this is the simplified version:
我们都是一家人
Wo3men dou1 shi4 yi2jia1ren2
where 一yi1 becomes yi2 because after it there is another character with a first tone
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Al Farouk
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| 26 Apr 2004 16:20 Re: Chinese language |
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Thanks always(at)smart
at the end of this week I'll pm u with an e-mail (word file) written in chinese. regarding the speaking I have a talking dictionary and I know pin yin so I'll try to know the speaking.
Al Farouk
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always@smart
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| 27 Apr 2004 3:32 Re: Chinese language |
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| orikfa wrote: |
this is written in traditional chinese and goes right only for Taiwan, Hongkong, Macao. also I think that they speeks Cantonese ( seems that it also used in America's Chinese community ). For the Mainland China you need to write in simplified chinese and speek Mandarin.
To learn how to speek Mandarin use these:
Pimsleur, Rosetta Stone and Transparent Language softwares. Also search for a Chinese friend.
this is the simplified version:
我们都是一家人
Wo3men dou1 shi4 yi2jia1ren2
where 一yi1 becomes yi2 because after it there is another character with a first tone |
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orikfa,
you are right. In chinese, the same word comes with different pronounce sometimes, especially when it joins with another word(s). I believe apart from Taiwanese, most of the chinese now use/learn simplified version.
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always@smart
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| 27 Apr 2004 3:36 Re: Chinese language |
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| Al Farouk wrote: |
Thanks always(at)smart
at the end of this week I'll pm u with an e-mail (word file) written in chinese. regarding the speaking I have a talking dictionary and I know pin yin so I'll try to know the speaking.
Al Farouk |
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Hi Al Farouk,
You are always welcome. Bear in mind, I'm not a chinese professional. I speak "broken" chinese too .
At least I can help you in writting.
--always(at)smart
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joskin
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| 27 Apr 2004 6:18 Re: Chinese language |
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I'm Chinese too.
I'm glad to help everyone who plan to learn Chinese.
You can write to me in both English and Chinese.Because my English is poor and I hope to improve it.
My E-mail: joskinzxs(at)163.com
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Al Farouk
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| 27 Apr 2004 9:43 Re: Chinese language |
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here is a link for a free talking chinese dictionary, it will greatly help who plan to learn chinese.
Also, I'm ready to help any one who interested in arabic language. Now I know Arabic, English, and biginner level in chinese. I found that Arabic language can speak any letter or word in either English or chinese whil while the inverse is not valid, according to my trial to learn chinese I'm sure that if Arabic letter are used instead of pin yin, it will be very powerfull to generat any chinese word. Also Arabic is the language of "Holy Quran", I can also help any one want to know somthing about ----- either in English or Arabic.
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Al Farouk
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| 27 Apr 2004 9:44 Re: Chinese language |
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sorry I forget the link
http://www.euroasiasoftware.com/english/chinese/dictionary/index.html
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orikfa
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| 27 Apr 2004 13:24 Re: Chinese language |
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| Al Farouk wrote: |
here is a link for a free talking chinese dictionary, it will greatly help who plan to learn chinese.
Also, I'm ready to help any one who interested in arabic language. Now I know Arabic, English, and biginner level in chinese. I found that Arabic language can speak any letter or word in either English or chinese whil while the inverse is not valid, according to my trial to learn chinese I'm sure that if Arabic letter are used instead of pin yin, it will be very powerfull to generat any chinese word. Also Arabic is the language of "Holy Quran", I can also help any one want to know somthing about ----- either in English or Arabic. |
How is Arabic language ? Is writing difficult ? and speaking ?
阿拉伯语怎么样 ? 写字难不难 ? 说话呢 ?
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Al Farouk
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| 27 Apr 2004 14:29 Re: Chinese language |
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Arabic is a character based language similar to english. it consist of 28 characters from them you can build all the words you need. it is not difficult for writing or speaking as you need effort to know 28 symbles only that represents the character and speak them.
some arabic learner see that the grammer of it is difficult, but that is one source of it is powerful as you decide from the speaking who do the action, whose is done with, the gender of the speaker, etc .....
for example
1- in chinese
ta1 = 他 她 you know the gender from speaking, only when writing you can know the geneder, in arabic it is clear from speaking as you say
هو = male= he= 他, هى = Femal= shi = 她
2- in pin yin (as a methode you can speak chinese using latin characters)
ha3 = 好 = خـاو
you need to know that H does not spoken as in english, but the beside arabic word is typical as chinese say.
3- In english
(a)when saying
you: you can not distinguish single, group, male, femal who are spoken.
in arabic you say أنت = single , أنتم = group gender is also defined.
there are a lot that I can not explain in this shor note
you can get a look at
http://www.ukindia.com/zar1.htm
http://www.journeytoislam.com/Download_j.htm
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