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mcs51

Joined: 27 Jan 2004
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27 Jan 2004 7:04 avr fsk modem

[font=Arial:b2ffa560b7] I would like to know if someone is interested in implementing a PPP connection frm a 8051 based controller preferably 89c51. We could perhaps collect materials and start building one rite frm scratch .

I know that someone would have already done it but i would like to try it too.
I hava a strong base in 8051 progamming in ASM/C
I have also worked on RTX51 to some extent. so i wanted to give this a try.
Atleast someone can tell where we can get details about this ... [/font:b2ffa560b7]

pisoiu

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27 Jan 2004 7:50 ppp source code in 8051

Hi,
Here is a start point, you will have to do a lot of "rfc read" work...
http://www.networksorcery.com/enp/protocol/PPP.htm
Best,
pisoiu

mcs51

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27 Jan 2004 8:08 ppp source for microcontroller

TX pisoiu,
I know i have to do a lot of RFC reading , but this is to be put inside a 4k chip so can u tell me wat specific RFCs are to be studied and which can be left or compramised.
Thank You .

pisoiu

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27 Jan 2004 9:13 8051 ppp

Hi,
I do not know exactly the rfc numbers, and unfortunetely not enough time to search, but here are some hints: for implementing the physical layer and low communication layers look for rfcs concerning LCP protocol. The next layer in which you should be concerned is authentication protocol, look for rfcs about PAP or CHAP. There are many auth. protocols, but the others are more complex and not suitable for implementing in a 8bit environment. Further (assuming you want to do IP communications), search for IPCP protocol. Generally, in each rfc, there are some details about other rfcs on the same subject, ant this will narrow your search. I hope it helps.
Best,
pisoiu

C-Man

Joined: 19 Jul 2001
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27 Jan 2004 9:41 ppp over microcontroller

Hello mcs51,

take a look at Adam Dunkels uip TCP/IP Stack, there is also a port with ppp.

But to be honest I do not belelieve it will fit in a 4K 8051!

http://dunkels.com/adam/uip/index.html

You can also look here:
http://www.elektroda.pl/eboard/searchtopic43680-tcp.html+lean

hope this helps

mcs51

Joined: 27 Jan 2004
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27 Jan 2004 10:00 c51 ppp tcp/ip

tx man,
i m currently surfing thru uip. looks like he has already done it. Well i also want some inside details of the hardware to be used. Does it require just a modem or do i have to interface the 8051 to some other ethernet hardware . Are there any limitations with the PPP protocol wen we port it to the 8051. Besides we can go upto 64k of code if at all needed (89c51RD2) . I would also like to know whether SLIP is also like PPP. I had seen embedded webservers made of 16f84 using SLIP. Is it the same ??

C-Man

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27 Jan 2004 10:18 ppp source code download

I am no expert at this but SLIP and PPP are two different things.

When using PPP the 8051 has to to everything alone while SLIP uses a serial port to communicate with a PC who does all the work ...

If you use PPP over serial you do not need ethernet hardware just a modem connected to your processor and the PPP software running inside your 8051.

Try connecting Adam Dunkels via E-Mail he is a really nice guy and I am sure he will be able to help you.

best regards

mcs51

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27 Jan 2004 10:46 ppp microcontroller

Tx C-Man,
Are u sure that i wont need to interface to an ethernet card. Well may that i think would be a diferent task all together. Is there any simple ebook regarding PPP for embedded systems. Ok if i have to use a modem, should it be a Haynes compatible modem or can it be a custom made FSK modem running at 1200bps.

Thank you

C-Man

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27 Jan 2004 12:34 8051 pppoe c program

mcs51 wrote:

If you want to do PPP over modem you do not need an ethernet card.

I do not know a simple ebook about PPP.

A Hayes modem should be OK, if speed is not a problem for you and if the system you are connecting supports 1200 baud a custom made FSK modem might also be OK.

If you are willing to use an already existing hardware/software combination check out:
http://www.ethernut.de/en/index.html

It uses an Atmel AVR and should be able to do what you are planning ...

best regards

silvio

Joined: 31 Dec 2001
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27 Jan 2004 18:15 8051 slip/ppp source code

Hi mcs51

You don't need to build from scratch.

http://www.elektroda.pl/eboard/ftopic37563
http://www.elektroda.pl/eboard/ftopic.php?p=143458#143458

mcs51

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31 Jan 2004 7:03 8051 ppp source example

thanx for the info buddy,
but my main aim in doing this project is to "start frm the scratch". So i have started reading abt the PPP protocol. It looks a bit complicated so i m reading it at my own pace. So what language do i code it in C or ASM ?

pisoiu

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31 Jan 2004 8:43 lwip 8051

Hi mcs51,
Take a look at this example, it is ppp/http implementation in ubicom microcontroller. It is not 51 code, but you can see how it works, it might be easier if you read the atached pdf's.

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mcs51

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31 Jan 2004 10:05 8051 lwip

ubicon deals with the senix controllers i suppose. Is it similar to 8051 . I dont know much abt SX .Can u tell me more about it

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pisoiu

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31 Jan 2004 10:28 ppp-protocol source-code

mcs, scenix uc are not really like 51, because the architecture on scenix is risc, and at 51 is cisc. Scenix is more like pic. Its main advantage is speed : 50mips on older version and 75 mips on newer. It execute most instructions in 1 clock. its major drawbaks are for example imposibility to add external program memory (internal flash=4kx12bits), and lack of peripherals. It has only 2 timers, everything else you need to write in asm (serial, irda, spi, i2c, etc.). most of peripherals (which ubicom call Virtual Peripheral) are available on the net (including ppp - the posted file is their original relase, ethernet, modems, irda, many others) but as I sad, it is damn fast and not very expensive. Another interesting feature is that you can make in circuit debugging (with the appropriate tools - SX Key from Paralax), and with this it is very easy to see what really happens in your system and make it work.

Best,

Boardstiff

Joined: 25 Aug 2001
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01 Feb 2004 0:02 ppp for microcontroller

there's available a ppp,tcp,udp & icmp source code available for
the zilog z8 & atmel atmega128 on http://www.avrfreaks.com
academy project 119

works on windows ppp , atmodem's & best of all GPRS cellular tested on Vodafone & Orange networks

mcs51

Joined: 27 Jan 2004
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01 Feb 2004 11:46 uip 8051

thanx for the info pisoiu,
looks like senix is the real controller to do such jobs . Well is it at all posible to do it in 8051.

undefined

Joined: 28 Dec 2003
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01 Feb 2004 12:38 w3100 8051

If you need server implementation, its very easy. I release server on msp430, PIC16.
But real client implementation (to connect with provider) is much more difficulty.

pisoiu

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10 Feb 2004 9:54 microcontroller ppp

Undefined, as far as I know, ppp is a symetrical protocol, that means there is no server or client. There are only two peers which act in the same manner. Both peers are mainly identical, and either one can initiate the link. Of course, some differences may exist between those peers (maximum speed, supported protocols, etc) and those differences are the subject of negotiation in the LCP phase of ppp protocol. Please nothe that I am reffering strictly to ppp protocol, not to eventually upper layers (ipcp and then maybe http or ftp), where of course, you can talk about client and server.
Best,
pisoiu

Topper

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10 Feb 2004 10:36 ppp 8051

I'm working on a webserver based on a 89c51RD2 and W3100 from Wiznet (http://www.wiznet.co.kr/e_iinchip/index_e.htm)
The W3100 module will handle all tcp/ip udp protocol stack which gives the poor 89c51 a chance to cope with other things like http and so. I have also seen this done with a CS8900 chip at circuit cellar i think it was Jim Brady hwo did this (try a serch).
I know this post isn't about ppp but I hope you can use it any way.

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pisoiu

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10 Feb 2004 11:07 8051 tcp/ip ppp

Topper, it was done with cs8900, but unfortunately cs8900 does not have internal sram, so the cpu will need external sram, capacity more than twice of max. eth packet (~3kbytes). A better option is rtl8019as which has 16k of internal sram. You can find rtl8019 on old isa ethernet boards for testing.

undefined

Joined: 28 Dec 2003
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10 Feb 2004 13:51 msp430 slip ppp

pisoiu wrote:

Undefined, as far as I know, ppp is a symetrical protocol,

Yes, but connect to real internet provider (server) required much more complex PPP options & layers support than connect from client (i.e. Windows IE).

xiang_xudong

Joined: 10 Jan 2004
Posts: 4

26 Feb 2004 2:02 ping 8051

This is moto Connecting an M68HC08 Family Microcontroller to an
Internet Service Provider (ISP) Using the Point-to-Point
Protocol (PPP)
Table 8. Code Statistics
Segment Location Org Location End Size in Bytes
Non-initialized data
in zero page RAM
0x0040 0x0044 4
Non-initialized data in
RAM
0x0067 0x0128 193
Program code 0xB000 0xC513 5395
Program initialized
RAM
0x0045 0x0066 33
Text string and
constants
0xC53E 0xC7C8 650
Vector table 0xFFDC 0xFFFF 35
Total RAM 230
Total ROM 6080

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winboy

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27 Feb 2004 3:06 assembler w3100a

here is something you can read:
http://www.protocols.com

bagane

Joined: 12 Mar 2004
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15 Mar 2004 15:50 ppp software for microcontrollers

you could take a look at Dunkels uip TCP/IP Stack with there is a port with ppp.

xczms

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28 May 2004 10:51 ppp 8051 source program

where can i get the GPRS model (simens MC35) driver program? thank you

xczms

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28 May 2004 10:53 ppp client for avr

who can share the ppp implementation for ARM7TDMI microcontrollers? thank you very much

khurram

Joined: 20 Apr 2004
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02 Jun 2004 5:58 jobs in microcontrollers. in hebrew

hi,
algo for login to isp using ppp for pic controller are given on microchips site download the doc and source code for ping

http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/AppNotes/00724.zip

http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/AppNotes/00724c.pdf

zaheem

SergeM

Joined: 09 Sep 2004
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09 Sep 2004 12:19 c source code+8051+ppp+pdf

I think, for your pupose lwIP will be more usefull.

Vibhor

Joined: 13 Oct 2004
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13 Oct 2004 18:33 modem ppp microcontroller

hi mcs51,

it seems that i am stuck with the same PPP/51(developing PPP stack in 89c51 FROM SCRATCH) problem with no ideas as to where to begin. I guess you can help us out as I feel you have gone through the same problem. In the current situation, any help could be of great worth for me.
bye..
p.s: We have been through all the literature we could find regarding PPP.

aNdreiBuuu

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13 Oct 2004 19:03 implement ppp microcontrolador

The simple way to do the do the job is to port ethernut from AVR to x51

w*w.ethernut.de

PS: this stack include full ppp routines written in C.
Hope this help,
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