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16 Dec 2003 16:53 illegal

Do not request or post illagal software, serials, licenses or links.
Otherwise you will be banned from EDAboard!

tanzil_dhk

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04 Apr 2007 16:18 software elektroda

could u plz explain a litle about illegal software???

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05 Apr 2007 7:03 electroda design software

tanzil_dhk wrote:

could u plz explain a litle about illegal software???

hi

Read rules every thing explained in detial any way you cannot post such software that are copyright protected, or not free and required any kind of serialkey and also do not post patch or fix to those software, only you can provide shareware or demo software link here

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mcmikex

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30 Jun 2008 19:27 Re: DO NOT REQUEST OR POST ILLEGAL FILES AT ELEKTRODA!!!

Not only is this "rule" is spineless and cowardly, it's also innexplicably silly. The official "rules" sections states that one must not post anything that alludes to copywrite infringement. But copywrite infringement is LAW, and LAWS are only applicable in the country where they are rattified. The copywrite laws of the USA are very different from those in Canada, the EU, China or India. So... can I assume that one is OK to follow only the copywrite laws of Zimbabwe? Please tell us what copywrite laws we must follow.

PS: Is dissent and questioning against the rules?

respectfully,
mcmike

Added after 3 minutes:

One more thing: I would like the moderators to know that I have presently in my possession 3 library books out on loan. Of course, borrowing a book from a library is a direct infringement of copywrite. Every time you borrow a library book, you infringe on copywrite (according to American/Canadian and many other countries laws). So... are we to assume that the moderators would have the worlds libraries closed?

Sharing of information, ideas and knowledge is never contrary to the interests of the public.

Sinisa

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30 Jun 2008 21:32 Re: DO NOT REQUEST OR POST ILLEGAL FILES AT ELEKTRODA!!!

mcmikex, r u a lawyer? Original post is preaty clear. If posting warez becomes popular here, it won't be long untill this site would be required to shut down. And that would be a shame.
There are plenty of other sites that have that stuff, no need to jeoperdize best electronics site on the net for that (IMO).

santom

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30 Jun 2008 22:47 DO NOT REQUEST OR POST ILLEGAL FILES AT ELEKTRODA!!!

I accept @Sinisa

We all agree to what u told @Super Moderators

RF-OM

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01 Jul 2008 5:55 Re: DO NOT REQUEST OR POST ILLEGAL FILES AT ELEKTRODA!!!

To mcmikex,

First of all I believe that copyright should not be written as “copywrite”. Secondly, any legal action is under the jurisdiction of original place. Practically it means that if EDAboard site is located in some particular place it must obey the laws of this place (country, county, city and so on). You may be in US and you must obey the US laws, but when you are logged in EDAboard site you also must obey the laws that govern this site operation. If you do not follow this simple rule you are in trouble. These points are the very basics of the general law and all of us must respect them if we consider themselves as educated professionals and want to continue to use this site.

Best regards,
RF-OM

mcmikex

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02 Jul 2008 0:17 Re: DO NOT REQUEST OR POST ILLEGAL FILES AT ELEKTRODA!!!

RF-OM,

I find the pointing out of spelling errors of others to be less than clever.

Respectfully: my point is that the free and unfettered exchange of ideas is the optimal climate for progress. Once ideas, statements and opinions are censored by invisible "moderators", the whole paradigm becomes suffocating and toxic.

It has become very evident to me that there are many people

I'm not a lawyer, I'm an engineer. I believe that all engineers and scientists have an obligation to truth and reason, over all other things. Once these ideals become clouded by IP, "copyright" or other such sleaze, we fail the scientific method, we fail science. This is a rather Soviet way of going about science.

RF-OM

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02 Jul 2008 5:19 Re: DO NOT REQUEST OR POST ILLEGAL FILES AT ELEKTRODA!!!

To mcmikex,

I agree that pointing to error is not good. It is especially true when somebody with not so good English is doing it. But I did it primarily because words copyright and copywrite (which is actually is not existing word) have practically opposite meanings. Unfortunately I start to use English at the age of almost 50 and I think it is understandable why it is not so good.

Now let’s talk about the legal issues. This is the well known postulate that every freedom starts from conscious and mandatory obeying the laws and rules. We may be not lawyers but we must know the laws. As you know one who was unaware about law will take full responsibility for what he or she did. I went through two law schools (general law and patent law) and know that in many countries this is the basic law. If I, you and others do not follow this postulate there will be a big mess in our world.

There are some clearly stated and well known laws about IPs, copyrights and Internet usage. EDAboard as a legal entity must follow all these rules or it will be closed. I am pretty much sure that it is not in your interests. I remember this site several years ago and here were not so stringent rules as today, situation changes and EDAboard must follow. You may call it silly but doing so you mean that all of us are silly and unable to understand what is good and was is bad.

I cannot be agree with you when you are talking that corresponding laws “are very different” in USA, Canada, EU, China, India and so on. Indeed, there are some differences but most of them related primarily to the patent requirements and duration. I did not work as a lawyer since my immigration about 17 years ago, so there may be something what I do not know, but I am sure that major requirements still the same and correspond to the well known international treaties. Unfortunately, I cannot be a lawyer in my new country due to poor language skills. By the way, if you violate copyrights of EU legal entity in Canada or US you still be responsible.

Free exchange of ideas is definitely good when it is done properly. Indeed, you need to use a good judgment before exchange important ideas even with your close relatives. I believe that no one moderator or administrator of EDAboard want to prevent you from idea exchange if you are going to do so. And no one moderator wants to offend you simply because you will drop this site and go away. Definitely this is last thing that moderator wants. You are an engineer and me too (please do not be surprise: in my previous country education was totally free and I use this circumstance a lot). Both of us joint EDAboard voluntary and want to communicate one to another. For this we need to follow the rules and be thankful to the people who made and keep it possible.

I hope my point of view is understandable and clear. There is nothing against you or somebody else. I just share my own opinion and believe it is right.

Best regards,
RF-OM

mcmikex

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02 Jul 2008 16:54 DO NOT REQUEST OR POST ILLEGAL FILES AT ELEKTRODA!!!

Dear RF OM,

Respectfuly: I believe that we will have to dissagree, because I maintain that information must not be subject to any rstrictions for science to truely advance. I believe that the censorship of some ideas and information, as cryptically outlined in the rules for this forum, violate the spirit of science.

When we, as scientist and engineers are either censored, or self censor ourselves, to satisfy the copyright solicitors and IP henchmen, then science and progress suffers. A true exchange of ideas cannot be hindered by rules designed to prevent the dissemination of information.

The entire concept of IP is both a relic of the past (made irrelevant by the internet) and contrary to the public's best intrerest. Knowledge should always be free and information uncensored.

regards,

mcmike

RF-OM

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02 Jul 2008 17:23 Re: DO NOT REQUEST OR POST ILLEGAL FILES AT ELEKTRODA!!!

Definitely you may have your own opinion, I agree with that. Everybody have it. But after carefully reading your post I think that this is serious misunderstanding the legal issues related to IP as well as IP itself. For scientists and engineers such misunderstanding may be dangerous. Personally I am okay with all existing IP requirements and censoring when it is done in accordance with law. I worked for government for many years and there were a lot of requirements and censoring and I was completely comfortable with them. When you understand limitation and requirements they are not a problem. Please think again. Here you may share your opinion safely, but if you follow your view in real life you are under serious risk. Just imagine what may happen if you share your employer IP here. I believe you will have a lot of time to rethink everything.
Good luck,
RF-OM

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02 Jul 2008 18:45 Re: DO NOT REQUEST OR POST ILLEGAL FILES AT ELEKTRODA!!!

mcmikex wrote:

This is a rather Soviet way of going about science.

Apparently your knowledge of the "Soviet way" is deficient so here is a quote from "Features - Researching Intellectual Property Law In The Russian Federation"
by Julian Zegelman.

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Throughout the years, developments in Russian intellectual property law have mirrored the country’s political evolution. Legal protection of intellectual property in Russia has its origin in the “Manifesto on privileges for inventions and discoveries in the arts and sciences” of June 17, 1812. This manifesto, signed by Emperor Alexander I, is generally considered to be the earliest Russian law protecting intellectual property rights.

For the next hundred years, following the issuance of the seminal Manifesto of June 17, 1812, Russian intellectual property law was developing along the same lines as intellectual property laws of other European countries. The “Regulations on privileges for inventions and improvements” enacted May 20, 1896, already contained most of the elements of a modern patent system, such as the enablement, novelty and utility requirements, and a fifteen-year exclusive patent term.

Following the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, Russian political and economic systems changed drastically almost overnight. The capitalist monarchy was gone, replaced by a Soviet Socialist Republic, with its regulated planned economy, subsidized production and complete lack of private enterprise and private ownership of property. All but the most basic types of property now belonged to “the people,” a communist euphemism for the State.

Surprisingly, such drastic changes did not affect Russian intellectual property law right away. At first, yesterday’s revolutionaries turned today’s statesmen were too busy with matters far more important than bringing old-regime intellectual property system in sync with new ideology. Then, during the period of New Economic Policy (NEP), a short yet memorable revival of free enterprise and market economy lasting from approximately 1921 to 1928, the pre-revolution system of protection of intellectual property actually fit well within the neo-capitalist economy of the Soviet state.

It was not until the demise of the New Economic Policy that the “Regulations on inventions and technological improvements” were enacted in 1931, effectively replacing the older pre-revolutionary set of laws.

The 1931 regulations abolished the private ownership of intellectual property rights. Instead of being able to independently exploit her invention in a commercial way, the inventor now received a nominal remuneration in exchange for permanently assigning her invention and the accompanying intellectual property rights to the state.

This system of intellectual property protection, where all rights were owned by the state rather than the individual inventor, lasted until the late nineteen eighties when the necessity of reform became apparent. With Perestroika (a broad program of social, economic and ideological reform initiated by then Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev in the mid nineteen-eighties) allowing certain types of private enterprise to exist outside the strict confines of market economy, the old body of intellectual property law proved to be hopelessly outdated.

Attempts to reform the Soviet intellectual property law culminated in 1991 with the circulation of draft legislation designed to overhaul the older system of protecting intellectual property rights. The proposed legislation had many elements borrowed from Western intellectual property laws, designed to function in a marketplace economy. Most notably, the draft legislation replaced “inventor’s certificates” with patents, gave inventors an exclusive right to practice her invention for a set period of time, and abolished the older practice of automatically requiring the inventors to assign their inventions to the government.

RF-OM

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02 Jul 2008 22:14 Re: DO NOT REQUEST OR POST ILLEGAL FILES AT ELEKTRODA!!!

To XNOX_Rambo,

Thank you for such interesting information. There are only two small inaccuracies. Russia becomes “Soviet Socialist Republic” not in 1917. First Russia was Soviet and then, after a few years, become “Soviet Socialist Republic”. The second point is more important but almost unknown even for patent lawyers. Patent as a form of IP exists before Perestroika too. For people who worked for Government or Communal employers only “Inventor Certificate” form was available. For legally individual inventors Patent was reality. However, to be an individual worker was extremely dangerous if not deadly in this country. There was very small number of Patent issued. Russian patenting system was much more stringent in former USSR than in European states and US and getting the “Inventor Certificate” was really hard task.

Beside this USSR was the only country in the world where Discoveries were registered and they were legal form of IP.