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mariaR
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 01 Mar 2003 15:16 64 bits EDA Applications on Linux |
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Can anyone give me a list of 64bits EDA application for cip design.
Thanks do much
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Pim
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| 02 Mar 2003 2:21 Re: 64 bits EDA Applications on Linux |
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Cadence may introduce a 64-bit version of their ic5.0 software later (or at least some parts of it), though I do not know when. I have seen this info in a shortform flyer downloaded from their web-site a few weeks ago (if my memory is correct). This shortform flyer described Cadence's plans regarding what software to port to Linux and whether that would be in 32 or 64-bit versions.
But to have any use of a 64-bit software you will also have to run it on a 64-bit CPU. Not all Intel's faster CPUs are 64-bit. In fact I think that most of them are 32-bit, which makes it senseless to run 64-bit applications on them. Also, it may be so that Intel's 64-bit CPUs runs on slower (clock) speed than their fastest 32-bit CPUs, so the performance increase in using 64-bit software may to a large extent be lowered for this reason.
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Can anyone give me a list of 64bits EDA application for cip design.
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Ansunamu
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| 02 Mar 2003 6:14 Which type of CPU of Intel is 64 bits |
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| Which type of CPU of Intel is 64 bits ? Is it really a 64-bits CPU completely ?
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FaZeng
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| 02 Mar 2003 6:26 |
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italium2??64bit??
i think that more ram appended and more stable environment for eda system are
the preoccupations for us!
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mami_hacky
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| 02 Mar 2003 6:32 |
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OK! you all know, Itanium, the new CPU from intel is a 64 bits cpu. It uses a completely new architecture than previous microprocessors. An EPIC ( Explicitly Parallel Instruction Computing , I think ) architecture is used to make a high performance MIMD engine.
However, why we should use 64 bits CPUs for our ( for example ) chip place and route process? I think high performance 32 bits CPU such as P4 or Athlon will be enough, those 64 bits CPUs are mainly produced for servers I think.
Any idea?
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mariaR
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| 02 Mar 2003 7:38 |
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| mami_hacky wrote: |
why we should use 64 bits CPUs for our ( for example ) chip place and route process? I think high performance 32 bits CPU such as P4 or Athlon will be enough, those 64 bits CPUs are mainly produced for servers I think.
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The big difference between 32 bits and 64 bits application is the size of dababase it can handle: 32 bits limitation is 2-4GB, there is almost no limitation for 64bits application. The chipp become bigger and bigger, parasitites netlist grow in exponential. The old 32 bits can handle such big design anymore.
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igorsat
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| 02 Mar 2003 11:48 |
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Just check in task manager (if you are running SW under windows) how much ram takes xilinx P/R tool during the mapping or routing stage of XC2V6000 and you will be terrified. Modelsim is also resource hungry during the simulation (especially timing) of large designs, and 2-4GB is not enough or will soon not be enough. I’m also modeling some complex structures and machines with CAD SW and I already bumped into 2GB limitation several times. I’m eagerly awaiting arrival of athlon64/Opteron.
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CatKing
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| 05 Mar 2003 16:21 |
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| 2 different types of 64bit x86, they are x86-64(Hammer of AMD) and IA-64(Italium), the first one may be more closer than us.
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