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crevars

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29 Oct 2009 22:02 Can't find wanted pulse transformer. Build it myself ??

Hello,

I have to design an transformer driven line interface.

The standard is EUROCOM-D1 (an old military one). It uses:

- twisted pair
- AMI coding
- level 500mV/-500mV
- impedance 120 ohms
- speed from 128kbps to 1Mbps

I couldn't find an integrated line driver chip. So I have to build it myself and choose th right transformer.

The closest standard I could find is T1/E1 but it doesn't work as low as 128kbps and levels and much higher...I had to find a transformer with a larger inductance value.

I found this MURATA POWER SOLUTIONS - 78602/1C, a 2mH 1:1:1 tranformer. This one could do the job but the transformer ratio is too low.

I'd like to have a voltage of about 3V on the primary side and the secondary must be 500mV. This gives me a ratio of 6:1 and I can't find such a transformer.

Do you think I could build such a transformer myself ? Have you ever experimented something like this ? Does someone have an idea for my line driver design ?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Franck.

FvM

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30 Oct 2009 0:26 Can't find wanted pulse transformer. Build it myself ??

I guess, with 1:1 ratio many available broadband transformers would do for your application, e.g. some ISDN or ADSL transformers.
But a specification of acceptable pulseshape distortion and amplitude drop would be needed to select it. 6:1 is rather uncomfortable
in terms of bandwidth, I fear.

I see, that Mini-Circuits has 1:36 ohms ratio (1:6 voltage) 0.03 - 20 MHz transformer T36-1. Of course, you
can make the transformer yourself, but the problems are basically the same as with retail types.

crevars

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30 Oct 2009 7:37 Re: Can't find wanted pulse transformer. Build it myself ??

Thanks for the tips. I'll try to get a T31-1 transformer and I'll give it a try.

The reason why I don't want to use a 1:1 ratio is that I don't want to have to deal with a low voltage (500mV) on the primary side.

With such a low voltage, a 100mV overshoot or ringing due to the primary side MOSFET driver would be non negligible. On the other hand, if I had to deal with a primary voltage of about 3V, signal distortions and noise would be relatively smaller regarding the pulse amplitude.

What do you think about that ?

I'll post the acceptable signal shape today.

Thanks for your help.

FvM

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30 Oct 2009 8:16 Can't find wanted pulse transformer. Build it myself ??

I don't see, that parasitic effects are necessarily larger with lower driver voltage, because the load impedance is also considerably lower.
There are various driver techniques possible anyway.

crevars

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30 Oct 2009 9:33 Re: Can't find wanted pulse transformer. Build it myself ??

This is the pulse shape needed:

Cable length is max 50m.

For the driver, I was thinking of something like this:

FvM

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30 Oct 2009 18:22 Can't find wanted pulse transformer. Build it myself ??

I guess, the driver should better have constant output impedance to absorb reflected signals travelling back the line? CMOS gates with resistive dividers would do for the required power level.

crevars

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30 Oct 2009 21:33 Re: Can't find wanted pulse transformer. Build it myself ??

Thanks for your patience, I know I'm not goot at analog design at all Smile

Anyway, in a ti document I found this:

I think it's what you are thinking about when you talk about constant output impedance...

Do you think something like this will be ok ? :

IN1 = 0, IN2 = 1 -> positive pulse
IN1 = 1, IN2 = 0 -> negative pulse
IN1 = 1, IN2 = 1 -> no pulse

I'll have to adjust R1, R2, R3, R4 to have 120ohms from the point of view of the line considering the transformer ratio.

FvM

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31 Oct 2009 0:53 Can't find wanted pulse transformer. Build it myself ??

The n and p FET gates have same polarity, not inverted.

My idea was to drive the resistor network from CMOS logic gates directly.
They can drive the < 10 mA needed even with a 1:1 transformer.

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crevars

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31 Oct 2009 7:56 Re: Can't find wanted pulse transformer. Build it myself ??

The schematics was a kind of "block diagram" and yes, I'll use a cmos gate or something like an EL7104.

I'll experiment during the next week and I'll keep you posted.

Thanks.

FvM

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31 Oct 2009 9:18 Can't find wanted pulse transformer. Build it myself ??

I wonder, why you are always considering driver solutions, that would be required for several 100 mA or even A? How about e.g. 74HC04?

0.5V/60 ohm = 8.3mA for a both sided terminated driver