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Kon Zaw
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| Our universe is(or are, whatever) built on some simple equations and we gonna find them.
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cadenceUK
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| 01 Sep 2007 19:02 Do you believe? |
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I m wid u !! best of luck 
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MSRA
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| 02 Sep 2007 10:08 Do you believe? |
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well see this...don't take it seriously its just fun...
Universe[a] is built from simple equations[b]
equations[b] is built by human being[c]
human being[c] is built by G O D[d].
now if u replace built by "=" then
a=b=c=d;
and our mathematics says....
a=d;
now again replace "=" with built and the respective values of a and d,
Universe is built by G O D...
so simple,,
have fun,
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rikie_rizza
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| 03 Sep 2007 10:30 Re: Do you believe? |
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| The equations is f=m.a Because it got mass, time, and distance component in it. and it is in vector so the direction of the universe do exist. And most of all, i dont know what i'm saying.
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Mr.Cool
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| 10 Nov 2007 20:05 Do you believe? |
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here is the secret
gravity CURVES space time, the intitial formala for this is R = kT
electromagnetics TWISTS spacetime, the initial formula for this is: F^a = A(0) * T^a.
both curveture and twisting are related to each othe through geometry and thus the unified field equations are found through differential geometry methods.
one can then go through the trouble of reworking all of physics (one section at a time) and can derrive all the same equations as quantum mechanics (for example) but WITHOUT ad-hoc assumptions! all derrived from first principles and therefore is presented a nice closed solution, completely covarient.
the fun part is how the combined math reveals NEW interpretations and possible systems. hey, that's what engineers do, we turn equations into practical invention.
can i prove this mathematically? yes.
can i prove this experimentally? yes.
am i going to go through the trouble of typing it all out for you here? no.
;P
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Greenpower dude
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| 11 Nov 2007 13:30 Re: Do you believe? |
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Well...
Practically most well known electronic and physics equations are build on top of the foundations of simple 3 variable equations (F=MA, Mol=Mass/Reletive fomula mass and V=IR just to name a few) It is only until we combine these equations and add constants do they become more interesting (Power=(Culomb•Amp)/Farad). But sometimes, we can combine massive equations into a neat little package (e=mc˛).
But from the point of view of an elementary student. I think it is possible to create a simple 3 variable equations. But I hope it never happens because it is sooooooo fun learning things by trial and error (eg. Dynamite!!! Did they guy survive? I'm not too good with history)&(suspending 1kg of sodium into a toilet and flushing it)  .
Mr. Cool
Please enlighten us upon this important maths, I promise I won't forge it .
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Mr.Cool
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| 13 Nov 2007 5:57 Do you believe? |
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be careful what you ask for,
the mathematics is 12 years in the making and is just now spawning practical bench tested (and repeatable) results. so i say "i won't type it out here" not because i am trying to be mysterious, but because it would take too long.
here is a logical argument to wet your whistle..
http://www.edaboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=128470&highlight=
Mr.Cool
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harsha_jois
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| 25 Nov 2007 9:10 Do you believe? |
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I hope most of the articles in this topic move around the Grand Unification Theory.
The theory of combining the weakest and the strongest forces in one equation.
I've read a lot about it and am too interested to know more.
They say its also supported by the hidden variable theory.
Can any one shed more light on it?
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Mr.Cool
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| 25 Nov 2007 20:30 Do you believe? |
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the hidden variable theory is a way to take standard theory and make it explain the stuff that it can not.
so i think this is well achieved because bending the rules - while staying within the framework - is a difficult challenge!
however, if you select a different framework, one that is built on first principles is generally covariant, and relativisitcally correct, then maybe you don't need such theories. maybe the math itself is self explainitory and you don't need to resort to such cheating methods.
here is the rub..
space-time curves because of mass. which of course is just energy.
electromagnetics (which is also a form of energy) was build from maxwell equations (actually the heaviside/gibbs basteridization version of it is the one we know.. not the maxwell version) with one significant assumption. that space time is flat!
what? but we already estabilished that space-time has curvature due to energy and that electromagnetis is also energy...
yes... look at the quations of "maxwell's 4 equations".. do you see ANYTHING that represents knowledge of a curvature?
no.. because it is assumed to be not relevant to a local use.
well... this is a mistake.. more more kindly, an assumption that no longer needs to be employed.
let us re-work the maxwell equations (all of them, not just the 4) with the idea that space-time is curved/twisted.
once you do this you see the connection between EM fields and gravity and also some other "stuff" and you have the grand unification theory.
what will you come up with now? how will you build your circuits now?
Mr.Cool
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Obi
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| 02 Dec 2007 23:50 Re: Do you believe? |
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| Kon Zaw wrote: |
| Our universe is(or are, whatever) built on some simple equations and we gonna find them. |
The String Theory claims to be a theory of everything....
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Mr.Cool
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| 07 Dec 2007 3:04 Do you believe? |
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give me ONE postulate that is newly predicted from string theory. sheesh.. the only thing that is good about string theory is that it ties all the standard model ideas of physics together nicely.
but string theory does not predict anything new
so if it IS a "theory of everything" and does not predict anything new .. then either we already know
everything there is to know or the theory sux. take your pick 
Mr.Cool
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SWINI
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| 12 Dec 2007 18:19 Re: Do you believe? |
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wow!!!
great concepts
make it still great by finding those
even i am in that process right now...
hahaha:D
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cedance
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| 14 Dec 2007 15:22 Do you believe? |
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I read somewhere in a magazine that with quantum physics even, there cant be a universal answer. I am being vague here coz i dont exactly remember in what context and i will cite the source sometime later when i go thro it again.
however, my interpretation is that, if Maxwell hadnt laid down the equations of electromagnetics thinking how can 1 equation govern everything, then we would not be having wireless, antennas etc... Take 1 step at a time and reach the tip of the mountain.
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sadid
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| 15 Dec 2007 19:02 Do you believe? |
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| Certainly There are/is simple equations for describing the universe but How complicated the Operator and its Mathematical Complexity is?
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s_babayan
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| 26 Jan 2008 17:24 Re: Do you believe? |
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| I didn't undrestand what you had writen . you wanna explain more??
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Mr.Cool
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| 27 Jan 2008 19:39 Do you believe? |
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here it is in simple terms:
physics (your observable reality) IS geometry.
so a electromagnetic field IS geometry
curving space-time IS geometry
energy is the DENSITY of space-time
the shapes of your reality define the activity, they are the same thing.
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sadid
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| 29 Jan 2008 20:43 Re: Do you believe? |
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| sadid wrote: |
| Certainly There are/is simple equations for describing the universe but How complicated the Operator and its Mathematical Complexity is? |
| s_babayan wrote: |
| I didn't undrestand what you had writen . you wanna explain more?? |
yes there is general model for describing the universe....but if ther would exist it must be so complicated and if we search for a easy equation like E=mc2 or HΨ=EΨ or ... it's possible but it's background mathematical would be so complicated like HΨ=EΨ that it's enough to convert the hamiltonian operator to open spherical form it lead to complicated PDE....
I mean the problem is not on existence of is or isn't the problem is how we can obtain that model....it might be so complicated.
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budzz
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| 31 Jan 2008 13:18 Re: Do you believe? |
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| rikie_rizza wrote: |
| The equations is f=m.a Because it got mass, time, and distance component in it. and it is in vector so the direction of the universe do exist. And most of all, i dont know what i'm saying. |
i agree with you. I think those are really fundamental value.
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master_picengineer
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| 31 Jan 2008 15:09 Re: Do you believe? |
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| Kon Zaw wrote: |
| Our universe is(or are, whatever) built on some simple equations and we gonna find them. |
It is not as simple as you suppose.
And bear in mind that science can't give reply to all the misteries of our universe since some phenomena don't obey to the laws of the logics.
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halls
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| 31 Jan 2008 19:15 Re: Do you believe? |
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| budzz wrote: |
| rikie_rizza wrote: |
| The equations is f=m.a Because it got mass, time, and distance component in it. and it is in vector so the direction of the universe do exist. And most of all, i dont know what i'm saying. |
i agree with you. I think those are really fundamental value. |
fundamental yes but... the only ones? what about electric charge, ain't it fundamental? and where do the strong and weak forces fit in here?...
so many things to take on account...
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Punya P Paltani
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| 01 Feb 2008 13:45 Re: Do you believe? |
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| Kon Zaw wrote: |
| Our universe is(or are, whatever) built on some simple equations and we gonna find them. |
Hey you may be correct as this whole universe evolved from nothing (as element evoled from energy "mass energy conversion E=mc˛") as previously we thought of a bigbang then strings theory comes, no-one knows how many thereories are left. So right now it's very difficult to say that few simple equations can gouvern this whole universe........
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Mr.Cool
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| 01 Mar 2008 16:55 Re: Do you believe? |
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| a good read.. i must get back to my work.
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ChangWang
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| 11 Mar 2008 22:45 Re: Do you believe? |
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| how do you know you have found the most basic theory?
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harsha_jois
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| 14 Apr 2008 6:57 Do you believe? |
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| The theory of everything can not actually be used to predict everything. Thats because it is supposed to assume most of the minor variables. What I mean is that the theory of everything say, can't predict the next baby's color or what food a person is going to take etc. However it is said the we'll be able to efficiently predict the larger phenomena.
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my_books
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| 20 Apr 2008 16:35 Re: Do you believe? |
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Does Universe know the value of √-1
or value of x in √x = -1 ?
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sadid
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| 23 Apr 2008 11:29 Do you believe? |
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these are just a symbols...........universe have been work many years ago before human being.....
certainly there is some eq. for describing the world not for all of them....
universe is infinite and an finite theory can't cover it the only theory for it is: always there is some to find.....
but I believe there is some eq. for describing our physics for put together all of different laws in a general and more simple but with more and more complicated Math.
Maxwell's Law is one of that examples they have a closed and simple form but have complicated math you don't use if for solving a simple circuit problem...
E=mc2 is another one....it has a very complicated Topology and Math equations in background.
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so there is a unique Eq(s) for describing these different part of physiscs.........for example many scientist have worked on the string theory it also contain Newton laws but ....
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gtaank
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| 06 May 2008 7:08 Re: Do you believe? |
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I dont think it will be reached in the near future....
Added after 1 minutes:
Also, what i feel is that the amount of discoveries accomplished about the universe till now about is even less than 0.001% of what is out there undiscovered & yet to be understood
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shashankthebest
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| 06 May 2008 7:11 Re: Do you believe? |
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Maths + Physics = Approximations... so anything is possible with approximations... 
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gtaank
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| 06 May 2008 7:14 Re: Do you believe? |
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| Has any one studied UFT?? philadelphia experiment is amongst a mysteries & believed to be conducted on UFT work done by nikola tesla,...That can throw some light...
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fanshuo
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| 06 May 2008 9:20 Re: Do you believe? |
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| Kon Zaw wrote: |
| Our universe is(or are, whatever) built on some simple equations and we gonna find them. |
No
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