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dineshbabumm
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12 Mar 2007 15:22 vertical bjt |
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| Its a known fact that BJT is more faster than CMOS.. Can any one make clear why it is so? Both of the has their own capacitances.. My friends told me its perhaps due to their transconductance.. Anyways can any one give a clear picture with substantiate answer please??
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dkace
Joined: 13 Jun 2002 Posts: 365 Helped: 24 Location: Greece
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12 Mar 2007 15:29 limitations of bjt |
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BJT faster than CMOS. In what issue? Faster switvhing on/off? Faster regarding the time that the output will be appeared after input is applied?
D.
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dineshbabumm
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12 Mar 2007 15:54 bjt faster cmos |
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| dkace wrote: |
BJT faster than CMOS. In what issue? Faster switvhing on/off? Faster regarding the time that the output will be appeared after input is applied?
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I guess BJT is faster than MOS usually in all aspects... But generally people refer BJT is useful in switching at high frequency than MOS.. Can u plz make clear why is it so? Also isnt BJT faster than MOS in all aspects?
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Yahia Muhammad
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12 Mar 2007 16:10 bjt dimensions |
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if we are talking about higher ft
the gate in the CMOS is lateral and the base in BJT is vertical
technology wise we can control vertical dimensions more than lateral dimensions during manufacturing so we can scale down the base width more basically base width now is in the range of 35 nm as the base width decreases the base transit time decreases so ft increases
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dineshbabumm
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12 Mar 2007 16:14 nmos faster than cmos |
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| Yahia Muhammad wrote: |
if we are talking about higher ft
the gate in the CMOS is lateral and the base in BJT is vertical
technology wise we can control vertical dimensions more than lateral dimensions during manufacturing so we can scale down the base width more basically base width now is in the range of 35 nm as the base width decreases the base transit time decreases so ft increases |
"we can control vertical dimensions more than lateral dimensions "
Why is it so? Can u plz substantiate the statement?
"during manufacturing so we can scale down the base width more basically base width now is in the range of 35 nm as the base width decreases the base transit time decreases so ft increases"
But MOS occupies much smaller area than BJT and thats the reason we use MOS in ICs generally right? How does this justifies the answer?
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Yahia Muhammad
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12 Mar 2007 17:13 compare vertical lateral bjt cmos |
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the lateral directions are less controlled due to the diffraction of light used in photolithography this is a factor that can affect the dimensions
but vertical component are not affected by this factor
yes the MOS takes smaller area than CMOS but the base width is the smallest we tend to make the base very narrow
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also from the parasitics point of view the BJT has only two capacitances but the mosfet we have 6 (the 5 shown and the oxide capacitance ) capacitances as we expect a capacitance between each of the four ports so it takes time to charge these capacitances ( the mosfet is a self loaded device )
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barath_87
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14 Mar 2007 2:22 lateral vertical bjt |
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| Think about the frequency response of a diode , it is a very fast device that can be used to operate at high frequency similarly in a BJT you have two semiconductor junctions... in a MOS the charge carrier has to travell along the complete length of the channel (source to drain) under the influence of a vertical field... so BJT's are much faster than CMOS amd are used in high frequency application.
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SkyHigh
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14 Mar 2007 3:16 what resistances make nmos faster than the cmos |
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Sorry to comment, but I think none of you answered his question.
Maybe none of you knows why BJT is faster than MOS, although many of you tried, but your understanding is not even close.
In general, when comparing a monolithic BJT and a monolithic UJT such as MOS:
BJT has a base, intended for hole replacement. This is like a minority carrier buffer for electrons. Under the high electric field strength at the Collector, most of electrons are accelerated. Such acceleration depends on Vce and HFE.
MOS has no buffer. MOS depends on inversion (regardless weak or strong) to conduct between source and drain, thus the channel poses a considerable resistance (Ron).
As a device operates over a longer period of time, heat causes to Ron increases, this reduces maximum bandwidth.
Parasitic caps on BJT is relatively less significant than in MOS because such caps mainly between the nodes to emitter. There parasitic caps pose little limitations to BJT. However, parasitic caps in MOS exhibit influence inside the device lateral structure, inter-referencing source, gate and drain. Some are ignorable at high-frequency model, but still the inherent Cgs, Cgd are Cds are forever there!
However, MOS has evolved from long-channel to short-channel, to HEMT, FinFet and even to the extend of using SOI. The gap is closing.
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jinnose
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14 Mar 2007 5:37 gm bjt vs cmos |
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| in terms of gm... for the same bias current gm of BJT will be 4-10X higher than gm of MOSFET.
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dkace
Joined: 13 Jun 2002 Posts: 365 Helped: 24 Location: Greece
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14 Mar 2007 8:40 gm bjt |
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I agree completely with SkyHigh. There is no mystic development on microelectronics and all paracitics can be easily found. Try to go into the physics of the device not to the outcome observed!
D.
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