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smartsarath2003

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28 Mar 2005 2:12 rs232io.exe

Hai,

I am a new guy to serial port protocols. I want to connect an LED to a serial port and want to switch it ON when a specific/any key press occurs on key board.

If I start hyper terminal and start new connection with my serial com port, Can i observe any data on Transmitt (pin-3) of RS232 when any key is pressed Question

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I actually tried to send a txt file with a single char. But after a long time, hyper terminal comes up with message remote device not found message. As I actually don't want to communicate with any device and i don't mind sending some rubbish.
But my idea is to send oxff to switch on led and 0x00 to switch off.

can anyone please explain me the above points... Rolling Eyes

Thanks

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kasd

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28 Mar 2005 2:18 serial port relay

Try to use "no flow control" and check your connection to the serial output and input are pull up.

smartsarath2003

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28 Mar 2005 20:10 using rs232 dtr to drive a relay

Hai,
Iam not sure how to enable "no flow control" from Hyperterminal. Also I didn't have anything/any pull ups conncted to serial port.
Iam just trying to send some char out through rs232 and want to check the data pin with scope. I just want to know weather it is possible to use serial port like that.

The application I am trying to use was some thing like the attached ckt. In that parallel port was used to drive the relay and I want to replace that with a serial port. With parallel port , i just need to make the corresponding data pin high. But looks lil confusing with serial port.
Any help?

Thanks

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jshroff

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28 Mar 2005 20:59 Re: Simple questions on RS232 interfacing

smartsarath2003 wrote:

You need to do low level serial port IO. You cannot just send data as after the data is sent the led will turn off. Instead use the DTR or RTS pin and set it high or low using the EscapeCommFunction call in windows api.

See http://www.connecttech.com/KnowledgeDatabase/kdb229.htm for function details.

kasd

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29 Mar 2005 2:20 Re: Simple questions on RS232 interfacing

yes, you should connect that signal (input to your relay) to the DTR or RTS (which are also outputs). Serial transmit may not be good since there will be some ON/OFF state in the sending of a byte.

Another point to note is the voltage level of the serial output may 9V. Check out beyond logic for more information.

http://www.beyondlogic.org/serial/serial1.htm#40

gelidude

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04 May 2007 5:20 Simple questions on RS232 interfacing

the serial port is actually controlled by a USART chip or equivalent SuperIO chipset in the motherboard. the chip needs to be programmed first like the data byte to send, the baud rate, etc. truth is, you cannot program the TX pin to stay in single state. what happens is that you first load the data into one of the USART's registers and then trigger the USART to send the data at the specified baud rate. for more info, read the link given by kasd to learn more about the serial port. just hit me for any questions and i'll try to answer them. enjoy with your experiments!

nomad13

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04 May 2007 6:03 Re: Simple questions on RS232 interfacing

To control devices thru rs232 I suggest you use a microcontroller to interpret the data that you are sending specially if you intend to control more that one device.

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turbina

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15 Jun 2007 12:24 Simple questions on RS232 interfacing

you can use as already sayd DTR or RTS ( outputs), at ouput pin you can use a low current led with a series resistor 3k3ohm because current must be lower 2milliamperes/pin to be able with desktop and notebook.

tareksamy

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16 Jun 2007 13:37 Simple questions on RS232 interfacing

Mr.Control

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19 Jun 2007 18:11 Re: Simple questions on RS232 interfacing

you can do it with 2 way which serial and parallel that "smartsarath2003" he had explained or you can do it with DTR RTS to direct drive relay
more Serial port information refer thus as link below
http://www.thaiio.com/serialportinfo.html

turbina

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20 Jun 2007 11:11 Re: Simple questions on RS232 interfacing

you can see an example with vb6 source code and DLL used to drive pins of serial port.

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ultrabrains

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30 Jun 2007 16:32 Simple questions on RS232 interfacing

what hardware (circuit) would you recomend to test the port software

turbina

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30 Jun 2007 23:38 Simple questions on RS232 interfacing

only jumpers between inputs and outputs

ultrabrains

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01 Jul 2007 11:57 Simple questions on RS232 interfacing

what do you mean by " only jumpers between inputs and outputs " ? can you be a bit more specific.

turbina

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02 Jul 2007 0:17 Simple questions on RS232 interfacing

all TXD-DTR and RTS are 3 outputs and can be connected with 4 inputs DCD CTS DSR and RI .
you can with a program rs232io.exe set every output and if itis connected with a input(jumper) you can test that output and that input the red point become green.

ultrabrains

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03 Jul 2007 13:56 Simple questions on RS232 interfacing

Hi turbina,

let me see a sketch(circuit) to implement the TXD-DTR and RTS as outputs , and DCD CTS DSR and RI as inputs

thanks

turbina

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03 Jul 2007 14:33 Re: Simple questions on RS232 interfacing

you can see a interface with max232 that convert ieee rs232 signal level to ttl level (0-5volts) after tou can drive a led, a pin port of microprocessor o logic, the current sink of max232 is 5milliamperes , you can take the 5volts for max232 from pin 1 and 4 of a free usb-port.

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heryspd

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17 Jun 2009 11:17 Re: Simple questions on RS232 interfacing

thanks you

ultrabrains

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15 Oct 2009 5:44 Simple questions on RS232 interfacing

Turbina, i forgot to say thank you.

THANKS

twinklu7

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15 Oct 2009 8:21 Re: Simple questions on RS232 interfacing

Hi,
I am a newbie ..i am interfacing MCU atmega8l to PC through RS232 ,here i did the loop back test via hyperterminal i didn't get the response from the MCU.
And before communicating to mcu i did the loop back test to the following for these i got the response

Start from the cable and work you way over to the PIC. Use hypertem to do a loopback in each of the following steps. I understand that step 1 will pass and step 4 will fail in your case.

1. Remove the RS232 cable from the Inchworm and short pins 2 and 3 on the cable.

2. If step 1 passed: Remove the MAX232. Look at the schematic and determine which pins on the MAX232 socket connect to 2 and 3 on the DB9. Short these pins at the MAX232 socket. If this works you know the RS232 signal is getting to the MAX232. If not you have bad solder joints between the DB9 and the MAX232 socket.

3. If step 2 passed: Replace the MAX232 and remove the PIC. Short the MAX232 pins that go to TX and RX on the PIC at the MAX232 chip. If this works your MAX232 is working.

and here the 4 th step i tried but i am not able to identify where my communication pbm is?So i need some assitance

4. If step 3 passed: Short the TX and RX pins on the PIC. If this fails you have bad solder joints between the MAX232 and the PIC.

Please would anybody try to help out..

priask

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06 Nov 2009 7:41 Re: Simple questions on RS232 interfacing

hi ol....m working on uart core development at present...i hv developed d core using VHDL language n done the loop back test by burning it in FPGA....nw i want to test it by interfacing it with PC through RS232....can anybody help me with the interfacing program n the procedure....pls its really urgent and essential.

suggu999

Joined: 25 Feb 2009
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19 Nov 2009 11:43 Re: Simple questions on RS232 interfacing

hi,

i would like to interface the 89c51 with pc, how can i send the data available on port 1.0 to the hyperterminal, can anybody please help me, it willbe better if u send me the assembly code.