MELABs or MikroEngineering ??

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metal

Joined: 21 Dec 2004
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05 Feb 2005 16:55 melabs

Hello

Any one worked on basic for PICs, and can tell which is better to buy, PICBASIC Pro or Mikrobasic.

Please, I don't want comparisons between prices, I want comparisons based on experience, and logical reasons, which one is easier to learn, the one that offers better options and services, no short answers like "Some one" is better,ok.

Kind day

jojokatada

Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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05 Feb 2005 18:18 glcd mickrobasic example

i think the picbasic pro is much better because it already in the market for sometime so there are many author wrote books for picbasic pro while mickrobasic still very and not much engineering knew about it yet.

pixel

Joined: 16 Sep 2004
Posts: 574
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06 Feb 2005 10:57 mikrobasic vs picbasic

(Mikrobasic is produced by mikroElektronikas, not MikroEngeenering)
I have expirience in both compilers. From my point of view, mikrobasic is better than Pic Basic Pro. In other way it will not become so important on the market, just for 6-7 months. You can not compare two comilers if you only take into account books, and history.

Pic Basic Pro:
Good:
Pic Basic Pro has good code optimization, it is already on the market, bugs free. Many people has used to work with it. Good forum support.
Bad:
Unfortunattely it seems there is no some significant effort to improve its performance(too long time intervals between versions, with no much new things).Like it has used all posibilities.

Mikrobasic:
Good
Lot of built in functions that significantly speed up your projects. There are routines for graphic LCD, CAN, Compact Flash, RF ... data conversion...
You can easily write your own functions with arguments in mikrobasic, which is impossible with pbp.
There will be more, and more improovements in future versions - floating point, ethernet .. nice future...
Buit in simulator, and project statistics where you can see size of all procedures.
Also has good forum support.
There is mikroPascal(soon mikroC, and mikrodsPic), with almost same IDE.
Free on-line book .
Bad
In current version, there is no ICD support. Some early versions were buggy, but current seems to be OK.
In some casses generated code can be bigger than in PBP, but it is not general rule, because there are also another examples.

klemm

Joined: 16 May 2002
Posts: 36

06 Feb 2005 14:15 mikrobasic ethernet

Hello,

what do you think about Proton+. I think it is better then all other. I use it since over a year. Before I súsed PBP.

Klemm

mipedja

Joined: 20 Sep 2004
Posts: 28

06 Feb 2005 16:30 www.mikroengineering.com

For me it is more similar to mikrobasic than PBP, but I dont like its IDE.

metal

Joined: 21 Dec 2004
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07 Feb 2005 6:53 compilador pbp v2.47

Hello

Good point of views, but is it worth to buy a software that you have to buy its upgrade, even if melabs doesn't issue lots of upgrades, but it costs 299$.

Another point on books for Mikorbasic, there you can find a book, but online.

Regards

jojokatada

Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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07 Feb 2005 7:41 proton melabs

yes there is an online freebook

http://www.mikroelektronika.co.yu/english/product/books/picbasicbook/00.htm

pixel

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07 Feb 2005 11:17 proton basic me labs

mikrobasic upgrades are free (for now)

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metal

Joined: 21 Dec 2004
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07 Feb 2005 21:31 proton vs melabs

Hello

You expect when mikrobasic becomes as famous as PICBASIC Pro, mikroengineering will make their updates for money too !!!

enigma460

Joined: 28 Dec 2001
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07 Feb 2005 22:35 mikrobasic et picbasic pro

You may want to look at Crownhill Proton v2.15. I have used PBP and Proton. I prefer Proton. One reason is on 18f452 chips, Proton allows the use of high and low interrupts where as PBP doesn't.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Enigma460

hassana

Joined: 16 Jan 2005
Posts: 9

07 Feb 2005 23:22 convert pic basic pro mikrobasic

If you want to master programming pic in basic downlaod this book from uplaod and dowlaod section.

the name of the book is : microcontroller project book by john iovine

jojokatada

Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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08 Feb 2005 2:48 melabs forum

hassana wrote:

the name of the book is : microcontroller project book by john iovine

this book was written for picbasic and picbasic pro not for mikrobasic

pixel

Joined: 16 Sep 2004
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08 Feb 2005 10:10 mikrobasic vs picbasic pro

metal wrote:

Hello

You expect when mikrobasic becomes as famous as PICBASIC Pro, mikroengineering will make their updates for money too !!!

No,
I am sure that upgrades will be free in the future, because there are also other compilers on the market...like proton basic, and so on...
Time with one dominant compiler has been passed.

(microenggineering Labs makes editor for Pic Basic Pro (micro Code Studio), and does not have any connection with mikroelektronika that makes mikrobasic)

metal

Joined: 21 Dec 2004
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08 Feb 2005 17:27 mikroengineers

Hello

But I want to ask, why is PICBASIC Pro the most spread one, eventhough its updates are not free.

I heard from a friend, and upset one, working with PICBASIC Pro, that some libraries for new pics are not available, though, he has to update his version, thats what he said.

I still can't make my mind up, I don't know...

pixel

Joined: 16 Sep 2004
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08 Feb 2005 20:24 mikroengineer

metal wrote:

Everything is simple. Pic Basic has released its first version long time ago, when were not so much high level languages for microcontrollers.
It became very populer because it is simple (much easier than C) and powerful. It opened door for begginers, which means lot of people.

platonas

Joined: 14 Aug 2004
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09 Feb 2005 7:19 picbasic to mikrobasic

Also the developers of Picbasic pro (MeLabs) have much more experience than anyone else since they are in the subject some years before the rest, hence the package is now bugs free as compared to simillar compilers.

There are also many books written about it that you can find on net and some are available at EDA board, here if u make some search.

metal

Joined: 21 Dec 2004
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10 Feb 2005 19:48 books on pic 24 in mikrobasic

Hello

I have found one book for PICBASIC Pro, its called experimenting with picbasic pro .....

Its advanced book, I think PIC Projects Book is much better as it starts from zero, but unfortunatelly, its for PICBASIC Compiler.

I think I am going to buy PICBASIC Pro, thank you guys for the help...

Last thing tomention, if there are books the teach you PICBASIC Pro as PIC Projects Book does, please give its name.

Kind day

uk

Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 51

10 Feb 2005 20:14 compare pic basic pro and mikrobasic

in my opinion picbasic-pro is the best. Because there are lots of example design with it on internet.

jojokatada

Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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11 Feb 2005 15:47 mikrobasic upgrade compiler

i saw some good book for picbasic pro in the upload and download section

1. pic robotics by John Iovine
2. programming picmcu with basic

both books are features picbasic and pro version
the pic microcontroller project second edition with picbasicpro chapter

metal

Joined: 21 Dec 2004
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11 Feb 2005 18:28 mikrobasic upgrades free

Hello

I have already downloaded the PIC PROJECTS BOOK, but unfortunatelly, I can't find the first book, can you please provide a link...

Thanks

T.Jackson

Joined: 13 May 2007
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13 May 2007 13:56 speedup picbasic pro

PBP - PIC BASIC Pro is awesome. I purchased PBP back in 2002, and have since written a dozen or so programs in it, that range from simple to complex. Have no regrets at all. I Highly recommend it.

Mike, K8LH

Joined: 06 Jun 2005
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Location: Michigan, USA

13 May 2007 19:32 mikroengineering

Also check out a relatively new offering called Swordfish BASIC. Looks very comprehensive and the output code is 'tight'.

The free version is fully functional but limited to 200 variables during compile (not sure what that means).

If I were going to pay for a BASIC language development tool, it would be Swordfish. Meanwhile I'll stick to Assembler and C18.

Kind regards, Mike

Tahmid

Joined: 17 Jun 2008
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07 May 2009 9:42 forums

Hi,
All the Basic Compilers are good provided someone is good in knowledge. If you can utilize, no compilers are bad. But with only mikroBasic, one can go up as other Basic Compilers don't have compatibility to work with DSPic or Pic24f. So, collect those and give a try and I am certain that many of us know how to collect those free. Thanks.